Air India Fires two Pilots for feigning sickness
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Sorry I meant the Hippocratic Oath - a typographical error.
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath traditionally taken by physicians pertaining to the ethical practice of medicine. It is widely believed that the oath was written by Hippocrates, the father of medicine, in the 4th century BC, or by one of his students
The oath reads as under ( please pay attention to the lines in RED )
".I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepios and Hygeia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:
.....Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief .....What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about......
If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot"
SO BEWARE ANY AIR INDIA DOCTOR WITH A COVERT AGENDA,WHO ENTERS MY HOUSE!!!
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath traditionally taken by physicians pertaining to the ethical practice of medicine. It is widely believed that the oath was written by Hippocrates, the father of medicine, in the 4th century BC, or by one of his students
The oath reads as under ( please pay attention to the lines in RED )
".I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepios and Hygeia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:
.....Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief .....What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about......
If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot"
SO BEWARE ANY AIR INDIA DOCTOR WITH A COVERT AGENDA,WHO ENTERS MY HOUSE!!!
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Dear getsetgo,
I am not a policeman.
I have just stated what some people have conveyed to me.
I am sure there will be people employed to take care of their bags.
It is just that sometimes, people tend to take things for granted and forget that while they might get away, the rest of the flock is sc****d.
It is in a dynamic time such as now that mgmt will put in some ridiculous rule to report sick to the company doctor at operations etc..
I think there is merit in what 411a says in his post on 13 sep 2358 hrs.
PS: And please remember, it is india. Dismissal will be challenged in court and at the first sign of legal trouble, depending on the clout of affected party, the dismissal willbe revoked.
Remember the story of crying wolf...
I am not a policeman.
I have just stated what some people have conveyed to me.
I am sure there will be people employed to take care of their bags.
It is just that sometimes, people tend to take things for granted and forget that while they might get away, the rest of the flock is sc****d.
It is in a dynamic time such as now that mgmt will put in some ridiculous rule to report sick to the company doctor at operations etc..
I think there is merit in what 411a says in his post on 13 sep 2358 hrs.
PS: And please remember, it is india. Dismissal will be challenged in court and at the first sign of legal trouble, depending on the clout of affected party, the dismissal willbe revoked.
Remember the story of crying wolf...
Last edited by condorbaaz; 15th Sep 2008 at 16:48. Reason: adding footnote.
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"I remember about 4 to 5 years ago, a friend told me a tale of woe. He was French, and had been asked to give his sister away at her wedding, in France, the date of which he passed on to rostering about 1 year before.
He reminded rostering each month for the 3 months leading up to the month of the event.
When his roster came out... yes you've guessed it , he was working a full week. Discussions with rostering/crewing produced no sympathy or assistance - so what was he supposed to do, he didn't go sick, he told crewing he was refusing his roster for the required days, risking a disciplinary.
I agree you shouldn't go sick when you are not, but sometimes a Company culture and inflexibility makes it almost impossible not to!!"
Isnt that what leave is for?
He reminded rostering each month for the 3 months leading up to the month of the event.
When his roster came out... yes you've guessed it , he was working a full week. Discussions with rostering/crewing produced no sympathy or assistance - so what was he supposed to do, he didn't go sick, he told crewing he was refusing his roster for the required days, risking a disciplinary.
I agree you shouldn't go sick when you are not, but sometimes a Company culture and inflexibility makes it almost impossible not to!!"
Isnt that what leave is for?
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I cannot believe that most of you would not call in sick if you needed the time off. To those in the lands of the 4 day and 34 hour work week, those of us in counties that actually work 40 plus hours a week sometimes need an extra day off.
Having said that I had never called in sick in 20 years of flying until our last contract. When our hours went from 82 per month to over 90, with mixed day and night flying I found myself getting sinus infections and other illnesses every few months. And I work out and run every day, so fitness was not an issue. Now if I feel ill I have no problem using my sick bank because my health is worth more than inconveniencing a reserve pilot who may have to fly my trip.
Having said that I had never called in sick in 20 years of flying until our last contract. When our hours went from 82 per month to over 90, with mixed day and night flying I found myself getting sinus infections and other illnesses every few months. And I work out and run every day, so fitness was not an issue. Now if I feel ill I have no problem using my sick bank because my health is worth more than inconveniencing a reserve pilot who may have to fly my trip.
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I for one have always abided by my values and ethics and donot report sick when I am not sick . I will Kick and scream about not wanting to fly on my First sons first Birthday or My anniversary Or a Court Date . BUT I will not report sick as that mucks it up for those who Genuinely are sick.
Lately I have been wondering what all these stupid morals really are for? I have 158 days Total Leave Accrued and When I want 7 days off and ask for it 3 months in advance I have to fight for it even on the last day and what do they do when I am not granted the leave 40 Measly hours a month IF That. The last time i Asked for leave it was granted but then another management who had some grudge with the boss who granted MY leave Cancelled it after I had gone on leave and created a ruckus for me being AWOL till the Real Boss came back and settled the issue.
I guess All you pilots Belittling the Guys who Supposedly reported sick are Sick yourselves and should be ashamed to call yourself pilots for casting doubts on your brethren without a fair trial. I Donot condone what they did nor do I blame them. Part of me wants to Cheer them on t hat some one is sticking it to the jackass Pilots who think they OWN The Airline when.
Get your Facts before you throw stones at another.
Lately I have been wondering what all these stupid morals really are for? I have 158 days Total Leave Accrued and When I want 7 days off and ask for it 3 months in advance I have to fight for it even on the last day and what do they do when I am not granted the leave 40 Measly hours a month IF That. The last time i Asked for leave it was granted but then another management who had some grudge with the boss who granted MY leave Cancelled it after I had gone on leave and created a ruckus for me being AWOL till the Real Boss came back and settled the issue.
I guess All you pilots Belittling the Guys who Supposedly reported sick are Sick yourselves and should be ashamed to call yourself pilots for casting doubts on your brethren without a fair trial. I Donot condone what they did nor do I blame them. Part of me wants to Cheer them on t hat some one is sticking it to the jackass Pilots who think they OWN The Airline when.
Get your Facts before you throw stones at another.
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I worked for GF... and it was 29days after her birth before I got to see my new daughter....and that was on a quick 5 hour visit as I was in the UK doing my six monthly GF B767 sim check.
I had previously requested leave for this event and or 3 days off if this was impossible ...I was told all options were unavailable.
I did see my next daughter born and was glad I did as there were not to be any further children...how did I escape to see it?....sorry it is still on the official state secret list...as a bonus I also got to visit a dentist!
I had previously requested leave for this event and or 3 days off if this was impossible ...I was told all options were unavailable.
I did see my next daughter born and was glad I did as there were not to be any further children...how did I escape to see it?....sorry it is still on the official state secret list...as a bonus I also got to visit a dentist!
