Ryanair Tail Strike at Dublin Sept 11
Kick the tyres we seem to have our wires crossed. I never doubted the tail strike I doubted the sensationalist headlines put up by futurebreeze stating that there was a depressurisation.
No where does it state in any of the articles that there was a depressurisation. It does state masks were deployed and that there was a tail strike.
All I was saying was that people al la futurebreeze shouldn't post things like this unless it is confirmed (depressurisation). Proably doesnt help if he got it off a tracker website that states "TAIL STRIKE ON TAKE OFF","EFFECT ON ENGINE COMPRESSOR"?????,LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE!!!!!!!!! And guess who it is posted by?
Thus the making it up part comes from the last bit and the title of his thread RYR depressurisation. Thats what I was referring to.
If we have crossed our wires I apologise.
No where does it state in any of the articles that there was a depressurisation. It does state masks were deployed and that there was a tail strike.
All I was saying was that people al la futurebreeze shouldn't post things like this unless it is confirmed (depressurisation). Proably doesnt help if he got it off a tracker website that states "TAIL STRIKE ON TAKE OFF","EFFECT ON ENGINE COMPRESSOR"?????,LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE!!!!!!!!! And guess who it is posted by?
Thus the making it up part comes from the last bit and the title of his thread RYR depressurisation. Thats what I was referring to.
If we have crossed our wires I apologise.
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They certainly got above FL80 as the second decent clearance given by Dublin was to FL80. Jet departures on a SID are normally cleared to FL80 initially and re-cleared to FL230 if heading towards Manchester
They declared a mayday for that? Seems excessive
What in-flight evidence do they have available to confirm that it's only a ho-hum event?
Let the hindsight, rear-view mirror comments commence
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This is the way its been reported on the utv website...
Irish plane makes emergency landing - Local News - UTV Northern Ireland
Irish plane makes emergency landing - Local News - UTV Northern Ireland
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They probably did well to land back at Dublin. Tail strike could severe the structure of the aircraft (and maybe compromise the integrity of the pressurisation panels).
Besides, it is probably easier for Ryanair to carry out maintenance in Dublin.
Besides, it is probably easier for Ryanair to carry out maintenance in Dublin.
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Stand up and be counted.
Good for the crew to have the INTEGRETY to act in a manner that may (sorry WILL 
) bring them ridicule from their so called "proffessional" brethern.
) bring them ridicule from their so called "proffessional" brethern.
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From a passenger friend who was seated three rows from the back of the aircraft: She described a 'small bang' on take off and then it became very cold as they climbed with a 'rushing wind' from the back of the plane. According to her they reached fl200 before going into a steep descent to Dublin at which point the oxygen masks (not all of them apparently) dropped.
RTE News (our national news broadcaster) just reporting the passenger complaints re oxygen masks on the 6pm news now.
RTE News (our national news broadcaster) just reporting the passenger complaints re oxygen masks on the 6pm news now.
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A colleague here was on the flight. Also reported the rapid drop in temperature, accompanied by sundry Hail Marys and not inconsiderable fear among SLF, panic in some instances. Then stewardess appeared and instructed passengers to use oxygen masks. Alas, masks had not deployed at that point, but did soon after, so that may answer question about whether deployment was automatic or not. Then a smell of smoke (more than likely from the O2 candles, though SLF wouldn't know that) and more distress among passengers.
Colleague's still calming down so let me caveat this with a 'caution' in case his recall is a bit off at this point.
Colleague's still calming down so let me caveat this with a 'caution' in case his recall is a bit off at this point.
They would only deploy automatically when the cabin reached a pre-defined altitude. That does not always take place immediately, depending on the nature and the size of the leak.
Glad Rag:
While I am sure that the crew are honest and full of integrity, their behaviour is regulated by company procedures, their training, and the applicable aviation laws and regulations. "Ridicule" is not a word or a concept that has any place in safe aviation culture
Good for the crew to have the INTEGRETY (sic) to act in a manner that may (sorry WILL ) bring them ridicule from their so called "proffessional" brethern.
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I am more than a little mystified as to why in this incident the cabin oxygen was used.
The Boeing check non-normal check list requires that if a tail strike is suspected the aircraft should be depressurised and a landing made at the nearest suitable airport.
The act of descending the aircraft will alone start the depressurization and will do it at a slow and controlled rate, with only 6000ft to descend to the point at which oxygen is not required surely it would be best to remove the pressurisation load from the structure slowly and save all the drama and expense of a mask deployment?
The Boeing check non-normal check list requires that if a tail strike is suspected the aircraft should be depressurised and a landing made at the nearest suitable airport.
The act of descending the aircraft will alone start the depressurization and will do it at a slow and controlled rate, with only 6000ft to descend to the point at which oxygen is not required surely it would be best to remove the pressurisation load from the structure slowly and save all the drama and expense of a mask deployment?
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At least the crew did the right thing - unlike BRIT**** MIDLAND who flew onwards to Heathrow with a hole in the fuselage unable to pressurise. Just imagine the amount of Spurs being worn in that cockpit!!!
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Sorry guys, I'm not a pilot.
How would such a tail strike occur? I imagine excessive rotation or lack of power would cause this. I notice there are no comments on why this happened so I presume that despite the inconvenience it's not all that unusual.
How would such a tail strike occur? I imagine excessive rotation or lack of power would cause this. I notice there are no comments on why this happened so I presume that despite the inconvenience it's not all that unusual.
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OK I'll keep it simple this time to keep the mods happy:
Assuming the flightdeck was aware of the tailstrike, would it be appropriate for the aircraft to reach FL200 before a decision to descend and return to the departure airport was made?
Assuming the flightdeck was aware of the tailstrike, would it be appropriate for the aircraft to reach FL200 before a decision to descend and return to the departure airport was made?
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Ryanair Bashing
Ah the professionals eh bash RYR when they can, if it was another 800 operator would the tread be the same? These guys are the most professional crews in Europe perhaps the planet, so less of the 'Typical' RYR stuff. Oh I'm sure there are plenty of other airline professionals with opinions but have they flown the FR line??