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Ryanair Tail Strike at Dublin Sept 11
RYR 208, declared mayday shortly after take off
ATC comms suggest tail strike on rotation and/or loss of pressurisation Landed and vacated 28 without assistance Ryanair of course have an interesting view on the flight 1230 FR 208 Dublin - Dublin ON TIME |
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Not really a good time to mention it but I remember sitting at the holding point at SNN and seeing a Futura 800 rotating in front of us with a brief cloud of dust being kicked up in the area of the tail bumper. We reported this to ATC who passed on the message. Evidently the Boeing checklist was too inconvenient to carry out at that stage and they continued on their merry way to TFS (if I remember) to replace the tail cartridge there I guess. . . Oh dear. In this case the crew have done the right thing coming back, pressurisation probs or not, of course it helps if you dont thump your airframe onto the ground on rotation, but that is another matter and is a not terribly uncommon occurence regretably on the 800. |
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They declared a mayday for that? Seems excessive
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Last Updated: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 13:43Ryanair plane returns to Dublin after take-off incident A Ryanair flight was forced to return to Dublin airport today after the back of the aircraft hit the runway during take-off. The airline said "protective tailskid" at the back of the plane struck the runway as it took off and the pilot returned to the airport as a precaution. A spokeswoman for the airline described it as a “tail-strike” and said it was quite common. “As a precautionary measure the aircraft returned with oxygen masks deployed and landed safely in Dublin,” the spokeswoman said. "All 148 passengers disembarked normally, were given refreshments and will be re-accommodated in the next two flights to London Stansted". The flight took off from Dublin en route to Stansted at 11.40am and no one was injured. © 2008 irishtimes.com Rhodes13 says: Futurebreeze how about you stop making **** up! If he had a tail strike on takeoff they would not have pressurised the aircraft as it states in the QRH and would have thus returned to land at EIDW. That only happens: a: when the cabin altitude goes above 14000 (I seem to recall) i.e. a depressurisation, b: the crew manually deploy them. Over to you Rhodes......... PS as you berated Future breeze publicly, perhaps you will apologise publicly too! |
So how do you know the masks weren't deployed manually?
From the links our friend put up the highest alt the aircraft got to was FL068 hardly enough for a depressurization now is it? The diff at this level would be negligable thus the aircraft would essentially be unpressurized at that point. As you said it could have been manually deployed or perhaps the masks weren't deployed. I see from the article on the newspaper its not a quote from a RYR rep but just a journalist perhaps taking some artistic license. Has been known to happen in the past! But hang on lets judge the crew on what's posted on pprune. As a current RYR driver I'm sick and tired of amateurs posting on here telling crew how they should have done things and slagging a company off just because of its name. In short no apologies! |
Slightly less excessive than the tailplane falling off.:eek:
They did the right thing I think. |
Rhodes, I see your posting has been removed by you or the MOD's, just as well I copied it onto mine eh?!
Why would the crew choose to manually deploy O2 masks at FL 68?? And the article quotes ' an airline spokeswoman' not a journo as you claim. Again, I've copied it, have a closer read........ |
cheap as chips
Believe they also played the 'on time' fanfare throughout the cabin when it landed back in Dublin after a short sight seeing trip around the city!
Ryanair don't we just love them! |
A Ryanair flight had to make an emergency landing shortly after take off at Dublin airport today.
The flight, from Dublin to London, was forced to land at around 11.40am this morning and oxygen masks were dropped into the cabin. The incident happened when the plane's tailskid touched the runway during the take off. The plane was carrying 148 passengers at the time and no-one was injured. As currently posted on the website of another newspaper. I see no mention of a RYR spokesperson there at all. Perhaps they are changing their story? Once again journalists haven't been known to sensationalise a story now have they? Was I there no. Would I have followed the QRH checks yes. To quote from the QRH "do not pressurise the aircraft as structual damage may have occurred". So how can you have a depressurisation if the aircraft was never pressurised? How about we let the facts come out? So far it looks like a tail strike with a return, nothing more nothing less. How about we avoid the sensationilst news reporting so loved by the media today?:ok: |
They might have been over FL140
After the initial call, flight crew requested further decent and where cleared to FL80 Normal SID would be to climb to FL80 then typically cleared to FL230 |
Rhodes my dear chap, look at the article in the irishtimes that I reproduced on here and have already referred you back to.
A spokeswoman for the airline described it as a “tail-strike” and said it was quite common. “As a precautionary measure the aircraft returned with oxygen masks deployed and landed safely in Dublin,” the spokeswoman said. |
Surely if anything that could possibly adversely affect the aircraft occurs on landing/takeoff the crew have to make the relevant people aware? Even if its a very minor incident there would surely be 'hell to pay' if something bad came of it.
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The question remains that would a crew knowing they had a tail strike climb to above FL100 even FL140 upressurised forgoing the normal pressurisation checks at fl100 and then the subsequent config alarm only to come back down to read the QRH that specifically states do not pressurise the aircraft?
Im fairly certain you would have felt the tail strike or been told by the tower. So kick the tyres are you suggesting culpability by the crew? Maybe the crew did deploy the masks? So what? Does that mean there was a depressurisation? Perhaps the crew deployed them as a precaution? I don't want to judge the crew until all the facts are out and we aren't talking on hearsay. Or did I forget we should all listen to armchair experts? |
ASFKAP
:OHow to bring a thread to an end!:O 22 mins without a post. Superb! :D |
oxygen masks were dropped into the cabin. |
Perhaps just the vibration knocked a few masks out of their stowages?
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Rhodes,
I have never once, nor ever would, suggest any blame without the facts! It was you, my friend, who suggested or rather stated FL68 as their level. You also suggested that Futurebreeze should stop 'making **** up!', again this was wrong. You also said the confirmation of a tail strike was made up by a journo, again this was wrong! |
Ryanair tail strike
Listening to RYR208 communicate with Dublin North ACC,im certain RYR208 ask for stop climb at FL160,then a return to EIDW & than MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY for RWY28
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"Did they reach a high enough altitude for the (lack of) pressurisation to trigger the oxygen masks, or did the pilots activate the masks - if so, why?"
My Question also. Seems strange, especially if they went to just 3000 feet to prepare for a go-around. Or did they climb beyond 10,000 feet and trigger deployment when they depressurized as per the check list?? Seems they were in the air for 20 mins. A bit lengthy for a go-around? |
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