Flybe E190 Incident At IOM
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DV Exit
Tried the DV exit route once when I though no one was watching. Not being a trained circus performer, I decided that it was the exit of last resort!
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The China Airlines 737 caught fire shortly after landing, just as it reached the remote stand and before disembarkation had started. Refuelling subsequently not required ! 
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Roy B & others
DV on 707, DC8, 1-11 etc is OK, just try the 'lid exit' on a Brit!
PS don't forget the 'I'm over here flag!'
PS don't forget the 'I'm over here flag!'
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Maude C
Yes and no!
any doubt - get em out!
A precautionary rapid evacuation is only really an option when the a/c is already on stand,
depending on the conditions aboard
big mustard
good to see that a rapid evacuation/exit is back in the flybe SOPs. The fact that you just read your SEP notacs would suggest that you work for them so you are obviously aware that it was taken out of the SOP a long time ago and only just re-introduced.
It really is only used on stand with doors open and steps/airbridge in place or airstairs already extended. If you have any form of folding mechanical built in air stairs there is a danger that they might only fold half way/fail and thus block the exit or prevent the deployment of the slides. Thats why the rear steps on the Q400 aren't used in emergency, and presumably why the slides are used for preference on the 195 (about which I know nothing except that it looks pretty).
good to see that a rapid evacuation/exit is back in the flybe SOPs. The fact that you just read your SEP notacs would suggest that you work for them so you are obviously aware that it was taken out of the SOP a long time ago and only just re-introduced.
It really is only used on stand with doors open and steps/airbridge in place or airstairs already extended. If you have any form of folding mechanical built in air stairs there is a danger that they might only fold half way/fail and thus block the exit or prevent the deployment of the slides. Thats why the rear steps on the Q400 aren't used in emergency, and presumably why the slides are used for preference on the 195 (about which I know nothing except that it looks pretty).
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The Q400 rear steps are not used in a full emergency evacuation - the front ones are because there is no choice, as you know, they operate with the door opening.
A Precautionary Rapid Disembarkation, however, is not a full emergency evacuation and should be used when the situation sensibly permits. The idea is to get people off the aircraft rapidly without baggage etc if it is assessed that there is no risk in doing so. To put 75 year old granny out the rear exit when it is not necessary is not very clever. Whilst it was the correct action in the IOM (because the crew decided so) the injuries sustained were all due to the use of the slides. Not having read my NOTACS (naughty boy!) I was suggesting that the PRD could have been a useful tool, had it been permitted (to then be corrected that it is
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Once again - it depends on the circumstances - if there is any doubt then get them out, but, if it is safe to do so the PRD is the way ahead. That is a CRM/MCC issue and calls for a sound assessment and good judgement.
If in any emergency event there were fumes or smoke etc visible in the cabin there is no question - get em out!
PRD was included in the 'other halfs' SOP's but disappeared at aquisition - pleased to see it is back too!
although I was unaware that it ever previously existed in Flybe SOP's.
The Q400 rear steps are not used in a full emergency evacuation - the front ones are because there is no choice, as you know, they operate with the door opening.
A Precautionary Rapid Disembarkation, however, is not a full emergency evacuation and should be used when the situation sensibly permits. The idea is to get people off the aircraft rapidly without baggage etc if it is assessed that there is no risk in doing so. To put 75 year old granny out the rear exit when it is not necessary is not very clever. Whilst it was the correct action in the IOM (because the crew decided so) the injuries sustained were all due to the use of the slides. Not having read my NOTACS (naughty boy!) I was suggesting that the PRD could have been a useful tool, had it been permitted (to then be corrected that it is
)Once again - it depends on the circumstances - if there is any doubt then get them out, but, if it is safe to do so the PRD is the way ahead. That is a CRM/MCC issue and calls for a sound assessment and good judgement.
If in any emergency event there were fumes or smoke etc visible in the cabin there is no question - get em out!
PRD was included in the 'other halfs' SOP's but disappeared at aquisition - pleased to see it is back too!
although I was unaware that it ever previously existed in Flybe SOP's.
Last edited by bigmustard; 5th Aug 2008 at 12:08.
