EZY flight off due to 'expired licence'
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I thought EZY was a very computer orientated organsiation, or professed to be so. Surely it is not beyond the capability of IT to include an alarm system that when a crew member is rostered for a flight all their legal requirements are checked by the computer and flagged up if not current. This would inlcude all the annual recurrency ground courses as well as sims & medicals. It should be updated very 24 hrs and could run a check during the night.
I've worked for many supposed compter aided airlines, but when it came to using the tool to is true capability they were woefully short. Much pencil & paper work still done = many mistakes which usually have to be sorted out at the last minute much to the anguish of crews with last minute changes.
I am associated with an organistaion which makes a plan for sim use on the computer. Thus it is impossible to double book a sim. However, the crew schedule has to done again in a different format. Guess what; in the transfer of information errors are made. Crews are double booked; insructors not rostered; changes made to one part of the plan, but not conveyed to all links in the chain. It is a classic opportunity for a 'one button' operation. All data is crossed filed as required. No errors, a massive saving in time for the planners, no last minute fire fighting due to cock ups. Head office will not allow it. Crass.
I've worked for many supposed compter aided airlines, but when it came to using the tool to is true capability they were woefully short. Much pencil & paper work still done = many mistakes which usually have to be sorted out at the last minute much to the anguish of crews with last minute changes.
I am associated with an organistaion which makes a plan for sim use on the computer. Thus it is impossible to double book a sim. However, the crew schedule has to done again in a different format. Guess what; in the transfer of information errors are made. Crews are double booked; insructors not rostered; changes made to one part of the plan, but not conveyed to all links in the chain. It is a classic opportunity for a 'one button' operation. All data is crossed filed as required. No errors, a massive saving in time for the planners, no last minute fire fighting due to cock ups. Head office will not allow it. Crass.
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jobs for the boys . . . . . . . ?
Head office will not allow it
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Kick the Tires
"Lauderdale says:
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Apparantly plenty of flight crew looking for o/t that day
Shows what a lack of credibility your posts have - there is no such agreement nor system at easyJet.
Dont believe all you hear and we wont believe all you post! Deal?
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By no means do I want to turn this into something personal - however Kick, I am more embedded within ezy then you would could ever think. My post was meant to state that any inconvenience to the slf caused was more down to ezy £££ than anything else. As far as the credibility of my posts are concerned I suggest you read the history of my postings first before you come to a rather pathetic conclusion. Apologies accepted btw.
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Apparantly plenty of flight crew looking for o/t that day
Shows what a lack of credibility your posts have - there is no such agreement nor system at easyJet.
Dont believe all you hear and we wont believe all you post! Deal?
"By no means do I want to turn this into something personal - however Kick, I am more embedded within ezy then you would could ever think. My post was meant to state that any inconvenience to the slf caused was more down to ezy £££ than anything else. As far as the credibility of my posts are concerned I suggest you read the history of my postings first before you come to a rather pathetic conclusion. Apologies accepted btw.
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funny how that slipped by without any remark--
indeed a silly requirement, but i suppose the entire airspace over the UK and Europe would come to a complete halt. and the streets would be filled with UK CAA'ers selling the latest Big Issue!!!
the US licences are the same. and on top of that are the size of a credit card.
here, they have to make a book!!!!
indeed a silly requirement, but i suppose the entire airspace over the UK and Europe would come to a complete halt. and the streets would be filled with UK CAA'ers selling the latest Big Issue!!!
the US licences are the same. and on top of that are the size of a credit card.
here, they have to make a book!!!!
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"As an aside, the cabin crew, and a fair few of them, do call in sick on a regular basis. That is FACT!"
Are you reffering to ex GB cc specifically wingandparyaer or the whole ezy operation as a whole? Would you mind just clarifying this?
Now remember, get your facts straight because I will quite happily 'enlighten' you with some inside facts and figures in regards to what you are implying!
Are you reffering to ex GB cc specifically wingandparyaer or the whole ezy operation as a whole? Would you mind just clarifying this?
Now remember, get your facts straight because I will quite happily 'enlighten' you with some inside facts and figures in regards to what you are implying!
Lauderdale.
I can assure you that a few Easy CC have very high sickness rates when it comes to the weekend, that is fact and unfortunately it is human nature. This minority would be the same in any company, they don't care if they stitch up their friends or colleagues as long as they get their Friday/Saturday night off.
They are the facts now please enlighten me with your inside facts and figures!
I can assure you that a few Easy CC have very high sickness rates when it comes to the weekend, that is fact and unfortunately it is human nature. This minority would be the same in any company, they don't care if they stitch up their friends or colleagues as long as they get their Friday/Saturday night off.
They are the facts now please enlighten me with your inside facts and figures!
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So Airbrake - what you are saying is that the ex GB cc within ezy have a higher proportion of sickness than say the LGW based ezy contingent of cc?
Because that is what is being implied here........
Because that is what is being implied here........
Don't know anything about Ex GB Crew sickness rates at Easyjet. Purely commenting on a minority of Easyjet Crew. However, as you mentioned GB crew I am sure just like every group of people you will get the very good, and the not so good.
So what are your inside facts and figures? We are all waiting for them.
So what are your inside facts and figures? We are all waiting for them.
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Airbrake:
So what are your inside facts and figures? We are all waiting for them.
So what are your inside facts and figures? We are all waiting for them.
As an aside, the cabin crew, and a fair few of them, do call in sick on a regular basis. That is FACT!
Actually at LGW it is the other way round (only marginally though), however that is not what we are talking about here.
The issue is the integrity of GB crew - (not versus ezy crew, before anyone else starts!) which is again within the spirit of this thread as it is being implied that GB crew are undermining the ezy operation - I want to nip that in the bud.
Do you have any reason to believe that this is the case? If not - then you agree with me, great to have you on-board!
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Wingandprayer.......yes crew operating GB Flights.........exactly that!
Not just GB crew operating GB flights! As I am sure you know a large group of ezy crew are seconded to GB routes (due 320/321) (cabin crew - not flightcrew obviously). Now because the ezy crew are on a much lower basic salary, operating GB flights is costing them a fortune! (long sectors, much less ROI). They are hacked off - and I for one am not surprised they are!
So out of that '73' a very large chunk were ezy crew - and this is exactly what I mean by getting your facts straight!
Not just GB crew operating GB flights! As I am sure you know a large group of ezy crew are seconded to GB routes (due 320/321) (cabin crew - not flightcrew obviously). Now because the ezy crew are on a much lower basic salary, operating GB flights is costing them a fortune! (long sectors, much less ROI). They are hacked off - and I for one am not surprised they are!
So out of that '73' a very large chunk were ezy crew - and this is exactly what I mean by getting your facts straight!
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Moving slightly back to the title.
Easy use AIMS and you can set it up to stop crews from flying if for example their OPC has expired. I imagine however it's not linked to licence / passport / medicals etc. From personal experience crewmembers are reminded in plenty of time, chased in plenty of time and 98% complete the task in a timely and organised way. Of the 2% that don't 1% eventually cough up the required copy for records within a week or so of expiry. The last 1% are chased forever and normally the intervention of a Mgmt Pilot does the trick.
At EZY it's probably a full time job reminding / chasing etc.
Out of all the above it's most likely that licences will slip the net due to a 10year expiry, passports don't normally as their is a level of self interest to renew i.e. family hols.
Regretable as the incident was, it was just an admin mistake. Ezy will tighten their procedures but it's nothing that doesn't happen across all UK Airlines.
We all make mistakes just as long as it doesnt happen again
Easy use AIMS and you can set it up to stop crews from flying if for example their OPC has expired. I imagine however it's not linked to licence / passport / medicals etc. From personal experience crewmembers are reminded in plenty of time, chased in plenty of time and 98% complete the task in a timely and organised way. Of the 2% that don't 1% eventually cough up the required copy for records within a week or so of expiry. The last 1% are chased forever and normally the intervention of a Mgmt Pilot does the trick.
At EZY it's probably a full time job reminding / chasing etc.
Out of all the above it's most likely that licences will slip the net due to a 10year expiry, passports don't normally as their is a level of self interest to renew i.e. family hols.
Regretable as the incident was, it was just an admin mistake. Ezy will tighten their procedures but it's nothing that doesn't happen across all UK Airlines.
We all make mistakes just as long as it doesnt happen again
