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Phuket Engine Failure - JED 04 JUL 08

Old 4th Jul 2008, 20:46
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Phuket Engine Failure - JED 04 JUL 08

Noticed by observers, B747 started takeoff roll with sparks out of the back of the engine, takeoff continued, approx 1 mile off end of runway, engine fails, compressor section plus parts of the thrust reverser were later found on the ground........

Considering the number of people sitting at the beach on a Friday night, surely, GACA have to wake up!!!!!

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Old 4th Jul 2008, 20:59
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Notice? Its GACA after all......

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Old 4th Jul 2008, 21:37
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Wake up?

Not likely to happen
Remember, these folks operate with JT-9's, if I recall correctly, a poor engine in the beginning, not much better now.
Lets face facts here.
These airplanes (and engines) are old.
On the other hand, if they had Roller-powered airplanes, much better. Reliability can (and would) be expected.

RollsRoyce, the finest turbine engines made.
How do I know?
Personally...approaching twenty thousand command hours in Roller powered airplanes.*
Not a failure yet...only two precautionary shutdowns for either low oil pressure or high vibs.
Fact.

NB.
Further, as the 'ole L1011 has Roller power exclusively (a wise decision in my view), these airplanes are still around, earning their keep.
Expect to see at least six on the Umruh/Hajj rotations, shortly.
Reliability pays...all the way to the bank...big time.

*Darts, Conways, RB.211's.

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It flew over the top of us as it turned out to sea, all of us in the crew room looked at each other as we heard the noise.

One guy summed it up with a succinct "thats low". By the time we got to the window it was out of sight.

Miracle it actually flew on 3, but its gonna be a long time before this junk leaves arabian skies.
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Old 4th Jul 2008, 23:26
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GACA?

What's GACA? Google gives me 513,000+ possibilities, but none seem to fit.
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Old 5th Jul 2008, 02:34
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From sources in the know with Saudia and Atlanta.
The aircraft was HS-VAC, a 747/300 with G E engines.
Aircraft was being ferried to Jakarta to have an engine change on same engine that came apart.
Now the big question is who signed this engine off as being ok for this flight when it was known to have severe over temp problems.
BTW 411 when GE engines are properly maintained they are much better than the rollers on any day and the 747 will run circles around any Tristar.
Been stated before Saudia is in the shXXs, GACA does not give a rats ass.
Saudia and Thailand should lose the catagory 1 status.
Just look on the Saudia ramp, many aircraft AOG.
Why do they need these leased aircraft anyway, answer is right in front of everyone?

Saudia is no longer a world class airline and is falling every day!!!!!
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What's GACA?
General Authority for Civil Aviation

I think...
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TWOTBAGS:
"Miracle it actually flew on 3, but its gonna be a long time before this junk leaves arabian skies."


Consider enrolling in a University so that you may achieve a higher reality level.
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If I may ask the obvious based on above.... (engine damaged, ferry....) Why not 3 engine ferry?
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Not all 747 operators have 3-eng ferry approval or pilots trained for such flights.
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Old 5th Jul 2008, 11:34
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Actually GlueBall,

Consider playing the ball, not the man.

Here in OEJN the only “Quality” aircraft you will find on any hardstand will be in front of the Royal terminal or on Apron 16.

The majority of the rest that live here is junk, ever had a wander about ARABASCO and under the old Wide Body Queen’s, rotting, leaking and falling apart.

So yes I believe that given the uplift requirements for Hajj that there will be a need to pack 500+ pilgrims into a geriatric jet to fly them for the “experience of a lifetime” and the fact, that they are slowly dissecting 747’s here in Jeddah.

It will “be a long time before this junk leaves arabian skies” whether under its own 4 (or 3) engine power or in the back of a scrappers skip.

GACA has neither the resources nor inclination to police these operators, can you imagine the stink it would cause if all the dodgy Wide Body Queen’s were banned in the lead up to Hajj.
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Old 5th Jul 2008, 13:42
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In your praise of Darts, Conways, RB211s and other RR stuff you very wisely skip over the Spey.

They bolted on a water injection system to extract the last 550lb of thrust and to stop it cooking itself. That version was never reliable.
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people who live in stone houses shouldn't throw glass
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Danger ICAO = Idiots, Crabs, Alligators & Orangatang's

"Nobody cares" is the answer I hear from people like 411A, just not acceptable. Where is the Saudi PCA ? FAA, DCA, ICAO ?? just groups of letters bunched together that in this case mean absolutely nothing.
They can't do a 3 engine ferry because when they have 4 running they are challenged to fly as is. The sim training in Jakarta is a joke, how many times should a Captain be allowed to crash the sim and still pass his PC ?
Answer: as many times as it takes.
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Devil Missing the point

Yes, they are junk and supply and demand still rule in economics. But it pays the bills. Get over it. The only thing that helps is that it's CAVOK every where we go. Good luck in finding another Job.
There is an old saying" those that Know don't say, and those that say don't know".

What will be very interesting is the Thai DCA Inspector that was here last week with his Saudi counter part who approved the Flight. They and are VP of Maintenance are hanging way out in the wind. Of course the VP is blaming Benez his helper. Coward!!!

Of course this is the same fool who dispatch VAN from Jakarta with a known bad ADC 1. Which turn into a ATB.
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Is there any word as where this reverser and tail cone were found?Thai DCA along with Saudi PCA should have there balls in a vise for this one.
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Removed from the desert and now sitting in the AlBadr hotel car park....



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Nice Pic

Very nice snap Mutt. I hope it didnt kill anyone or damage property.

I agree with most of the coments in this thread. Especially with the part about GACA(KAKA) being as usefull as Tts on a bull. Maybe its time the FAA go and audit the CAT 1 status of the Kingdom .
Perhaps Saudia ought to reexamine the company they keep and have some pride as the company logo is painted on the ACMI contracts they grant. No point in just making bakshis with innocent people potenially getting killed.

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Its always healthy to be audited dont you think? Justification ? Probably none ,but Im not an expert....

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Danger ICAO = Incompetent, Corrupt, Absent, Out to Lunch

The reason the FAA should be "interested" is : GE engine, Boeing Airframe, Saudi's follow FAA regs (sort of) , FAA office in Jeddah, regular scheduled flights to the USA by Saudi Arabian Airlines, ect.. these kind of reasons.

If there was a reason for this engine coming apart, other than incompetence on the Thai's maint and the Saudi's allowing them to fly the aircraft out of their airspace the FAA should be interested in this event.

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