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Real or not, does anybody know the legalities of flying with an out of date database in FAA and JAR land? I've never really thought about it before to be honest. Our gingerbeers get it all done behind the scenes and it always works.
I am guessing that it if this is real (and if it isn't what a crap 1/4 joke) it is a no no if they had to ground the entire fleet and get FAA approval to operate?
Anyone?
I am guessing that it if this is real (and if it isn't what a crap 1/4 joke) it is a no no if they had to ground the entire fleet and get FAA approval to operate?
Anyone?
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United Airlines diruption from LHR 02APR08...
Please be aware that there are possible delays and cancellations to some of United’s flights today.
UA923 and UA955 have already departed.
UA921 and UA949 are scheduled to depart.
Where possible, we advise that you inform your customers not to travel to London Heathrow Airport and to re-book them.
Please contact United reservations on 0845 8444 777.
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For more information on United Airlines, please visit our website at www.unitedairlines.co.uk
Any ideas whats going on????
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UA923 and UA955 have already departed.
UA921 and UA949 are scheduled to depart.
Where possible, we advise that you inform your customers not to travel to London Heathrow Airport and to re-book them.
Please contact United reservations on 0845 8444 777.
************************************************************ ************
For more information on United Airlines, please visit our website at www.unitedairlines.co.uk
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I do not know about JAR but FAA rules say that you can fly with an out of date data as long as you can verify every single way point via an uptoday navigation chart. As far as I know also ICAO rules also allow you to do the say with the say requirement. I fly in India and with the new hydraban airport opening delay for two weeks. We were required to use the expire data when flying that route as per notac.
Hope it help.....
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This it is getting out of hand with the FAA and the airlines. Why all of the suden they are doing something about when all this **** have been happening for at least the last decade. Expecially big boy of the airlines they get away with murder when it comes to compliance. 
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I understand the navigational databases have been found to be "out of date" and hence need updates. Not sure exactly what that entails and how long this means they will be on the ground.
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Press ReleaseSource: United Airlines
United Advises Customers of Some Delays and Cancellations Today
Wednesday April 2, 6:30 am ET
CHICAGO, April 2, 2008 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines is informing customers traveling on April 2, 2008 on United's Boeing 777 aircraft that they may experience flight delays or cancellations as a result of a functional check being performed on the aircraft.
As part of a regular review of maintenance records, the company discovered that the functional test that checks the firing system on one of the five bottles in the cargo fire suppression system on the Boeing 777 was not performed, and this was voluntarily disclosed to the FAA. United is in the process of checking this part of the system. This system is regularly tested as part of the pre-flight safety checks.
These checks are related to compliance. United will not operate these aircraft until the tests are complete.
United will conduct the check on all 52 Boeing 777 aircraft in the company's fleet.
We apologize for any inconvenience and ask customers to check their flight status on united.com before leaving for the airport. United is currently working to provide additional aircraft where available and is accommodating customers on other flights and other airlines. Customers can check which aircraft they are scheduled to fly on at united.com. About United United Airlines operates more than 3,300* flights a day on United, United Express and Ted to more than 200 U.S. domestic and international destinations from its hubs in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago and Washington, D.C. With key global air rights in the Asia- Pacific region, Europe and Latin America, United is one of the largest international carriers based in the United States. United also is a founding member of Star Alliance, which provides connections for our customers to 897 destinations in 160 countries worldwide. United's 55,000 employees reside in every U.S. state and in many countries around the world. News releases and other information about United can be found at the company's Web site at united.com
United Advises Customers of Some Delays and Cancellations Today
Wednesday April 2, 6:30 am ET
CHICAGO, April 2, 2008 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines is informing customers traveling on April 2, 2008 on United's Boeing 777 aircraft that they may experience flight delays or cancellations as a result of a functional check being performed on the aircraft.
As part of a regular review of maintenance records, the company discovered that the functional test that checks the firing system on one of the five bottles in the cargo fire suppression system on the Boeing 777 was not performed, and this was voluntarily disclosed to the FAA. United is in the process of checking this part of the system. This system is regularly tested as part of the pre-flight safety checks.
These checks are related to compliance. United will not operate these aircraft until the tests are complete.
United will conduct the check on all 52 Boeing 777 aircraft in the company's fleet.
We apologize for any inconvenience and ask customers to check their flight status on united.com before leaving for the airport. United is currently working to provide additional aircraft where available and is accommodating customers on other flights and other airlines. Customers can check which aircraft they are scheduled to fly on at united.com. About United United Airlines operates more than 3,300* flights a day on United, United Express and Ted to more than 200 U.S. domestic and international destinations from its hubs in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago and Washington, D.C. With key global air rights in the Asia- Pacific region, Europe and Latin America, United is one of the largest international carriers based in the United States. United also is a founding member of Star Alliance, which provides connections for our customers to 897 destinations in 160 countries worldwide. United's 55,000 employees reside in every U.S. state and in many countries around the world. News releases and other information about United can be found at the company's Web site at united.com
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Read the article, it states "all 33' were grounded. That has to be old news as UAL now have 52 777's
BTW: this can't have anything to do with database-issues: AFAIK these are only changed at airac dates (next I think is april 10).
Edit: post #16 says it all.
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How long does it take?
Any idea how long per ac to do the check? Just trying to figure out the liability with 52 frames to work. Also have seen possibly as many as 3 ferrying back from the Pacific to KSFO...I guess for this check.