Ryanair B738 off runway in Limoges (LFBL/France)

[Doors to Automatic]

Definitely a 21 arrival - you can see the taxiway on the photo (no taxiway at the end of 03).

[Captain Planet]

Right Engine said

Prediction - Nothing will be reported on the UK news channels.

I would love to know why (as a BA pilot). Whenever such a mishap occurs with a BA aircraft it will be BREAKING NEWS - BA CRASH IN XYZ.

Perhaps someone from the BBC/ITN/SKY could explain this anomoly....

Maybe because FR is an Irish airline??????

CP.

[hetfield]

@wo ping



Good one

[Bigmouth]

Whenever such a mishap occurs with a BA aircraft it will be BREAKING NEWS - BA CRASH IN XYZ.

Right Engine - same goes for any major airline.

And Skydrol Leak:

anomoly is spelled anamoly

No, it's not. It's "anomaly".

[fly737]

Only the fact guys.

LFBL 21/03 LDA 2440m (beyond the glide 2170m)

LCTR ILS 21 (RVR min

Landing at 1600 LT (1500Z)

LIG SA 211500z 33018G34KT 300V010 4000 R21/1400VP1500
R03/1100VP1500 RA SCT003 BKN006 05/04
Q0995 NOSIG


330/18 X-WINC tailwind 8KTS Crosswind 16KTS
330/18G34 worse case (34) tailwind 15kts Crosswind 31KTS


Weather marginal to do the RNAV 03 (MIN 2000M).....would have been beter to hold or to take your ALT guys......

TEA AND BISCUITS i guess for the pilots????

[Otto Nove Due]

Don't forget though if they were only landing at 15Z then they would have been using the 1430Z METAR, which was much more benign

LFBL 211430Z 28016KT 4000 -RA SCT003 BKN006 08/07 Q0994 NOSIG=

Would be interesting to hear the last windcheck given by the tower

[FlyLowCost]

The aircraft involved is EI-CSV

[Visual Calls]

Yet another ryanair aircraft off the tarmac in a fortnight. And the incidents keep coming...
It's definitely 21 in that picture. The wind at the time is a minimum 9 knots tail with up to 16 knots in the gust. Nice call...
I hope the French do an investigation (unlike an IAA whitewash) that might actually ask why the crew felt the need to make the approach in outside limit conditions. Was it time pressure? Poor training? Incompetence? Lack of experience? Or is ryanair bashing to ask such questions?

[Hudson Bay]

I would class this as another serious incident. As a matter of interest how many serious incidents has this company had in the last twelve months?

I can think of another one in Nock about 6 months ago. That makes 2. Anybody else?

[RMC]

Tea and biscuits interview...don't think so...bread and water (not Volvic).

[Leo Hairy-Camel]

Come the carcass, gather the rats.

Was it time pressure? Poor training? Incompetence? Lack of experience?

No, certainly not, highly unlikely, not possible.

I think the more compelling question is whether your grade school rhetoric reflects journalism of the most slovenly kind, especially since investigations have hardly even begun.
From Sky News:

Jean-Pierre Limousin, chairman of the chamber of commerce that manages Limoges airport, said: "A build-up of rain water on the runway seems to have caused the aircraft to slide on the slick tarmac."

Though possibly looking for a new job after the Easter break, M. Limousin joins me, Visual Calls, in urging you to take a rest from beating your little tom-tom and recall the physics of hydroplaning.

[A4]

....you to take a rest from beating your little tom-tom and recall the physics of hydroplaning.

So it's been proved that it hydroplaned already - nothing else?

Soaking wet, tailwind, limiting runway, low viz precluding favoured approach...... looks like all the holes lined up in this bit of cheese. Glad the only injuries are to peoples pride.

A4

[Visual Calls]

So Leo comes back to play? Ryanair must be getting worried about aircraft regularly falling off the black stuff if mick rolls out his tame poodle.

recall the physics of hydroplaning.

So let me get this right Leo, it was ok to land in a steady wind just on the limits, with gusts putting them outside? But oops, too bad they hydroplaned, well if they hadn't we could have overlooked the decision to land in gusty on-, and out of-, limit tailwind conditions. Perhaps Leo, you (and the pilots on the day) need to review your hydroplaning physics. Pay particular attention to the effect on groundspeed of landing in a max-limit and out of limit tailwind.

[Leo Hairy-Camel]

Skid row.

Were you there, Visual Calls? Didn't think so. Stating presumption as fact, though sadly reminiscent of the majority of your posts, amounts to nothing more than fluff and coloured bubbles.

Lets wait for the investigation, shall we, and try to keep the offensiveness to a bare minimum in the meantime?

[RFusmoke]

One Q.??? Were you there?( you mentioned aquaplaning)

V C ..I think you hit a raw nerve !!!!!!!!!!!!

Typical Ryan Head ......don t you dare been offensive to them but its ok the other way around.
At least they landed on schedule so they will be only getting bashed for the overrun and not being late. (I m not assuming it was an overrun am I??????)

[the_hawk]

Leo, I thought the consensus was that on PPRuNe we don't wait for the investigation (while keeping the offensiveness to a bare minimum, of course). No need to chew it through, again.

28016KT is no tailwind and 892 is right that the latest windchecks from TWR will be interesting, but maybe we have the effect of a strong crosswind from the right with gusts veering even more to the right again, not so long after Hamburg...

[Otto Nove Due]

fly737, the wind was varying to 010 so it's possible that the tailwind was around 30kts if the 34kt gust was from 010

[speedrestriction]

Leo, your two comments are a bit at odds:

recall the physics of hydroplaning

then

Lets wait for the investigation

For some clear advice, click here to view the runway overrun thread in the Safetey, CRM and QA forum.

sr

[Fluffy flyer]

Just my 2 Cents/Pence worth.

I landed in LIG about 6 months back similar situation, except wind on my nose down the rwy, no gusty crosswinds.

Landed 21 very wet runway, thunderstorm had just passed through, aircraft skidded on the rwyway after touch down very difficult braking aquaplaned for some distance before I got controlled braking back.

LIG appears prone to this problem.

[BEagle]

Jean-Pierre Limousin, chairman of the chamber of commerce that manages Limoges airport, said: "A build-up of rain water on the runway seems to have caused the aircraft to slide on the slick tarmac."

Which does rather begin to sound as though the runway is technically 'slippery when wet' - and it was wet at the time.

If this fact has not been made known to the airport's users and they applied 'wet' rather than 'icy' LDR criteria, it is hardly surprising that the aircraft may have encountered an occasion when LDA < LDR......

A possible hazard of using these 'minor' airports is that their runway surface friction characteristics are not as well documented as those of major airports. And the cost of runway resurfacing will be a bigger chunk out of the airport owners' profits than it would be for one of the majors.