Indonesia's Adam Air once again.. "Passenger jet skids off runway"
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OK, those photos are now online...
Evac in progress...
If my eyes are correct... there's 1 crew member on the phone, a handful of airport personnel, 1 (injured pax) carried by 2 other persons.
Immediately after evac completed.
The Collapsed Landing Gear...
Given these pics... the slides would have been the best choice, no need to rush them out, but it's better than having pax breaking their legs because they slipped on the metal ladders...
Evac in progress...
If my eyes are correct... there's 1 crew member on the phone, a handful of airport personnel, 1 (injured pax) carried by 2 other persons.
Immediately after evac completed.
The Collapsed Landing Gear...
Given these pics... the slides would have been the best choice, no need to rush them out, but it's better than having pax breaking their legs because they slipped on the metal ladders...
I love visuals (pics)
very impressive ground ruts on only the left side, but the aircraft veered to the right. Hmmm, Could it be more drag on the right but smaller footprint of weight on the left? Like the difference between resting on the wheels vs resting on the engine nacelle
very impressive ground ruts on only the left side, but the aircraft veered to the right. Hmmm, Could it be more drag on the right but smaller footprint of weight on the left? Like the difference between resting on the wheels vs resting on the engine nacelle
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nice pix PK -
very interested in your mention of the intell that suggests slides were U.S. Doors are clearly disarmed.
Any more detail/confirmation from Batam?
the ruts in the mud also make for some interesting hypothesis.
very interested in your mention of the intell that suggests slides were U.S. Doors are clearly disarmed.
Any more detail/confirmation from Batam?
the ruts in the mud also make for some interesting hypothesis.
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wow i feel sorry for the passangers
check out this vid on youtube i just found !!
scary , they have their own onboard engineers !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YK136amZYI
check out this vid on youtube i just found !!
scary , they have their own onboard engineers !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YK136amZYI
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Mmmm Seems to be a bit of "How do I open this damn thing?" going on. Hope not the case. Doesn't look as though fuselage deformation should have caused jamming.
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Lomapaseo,
The mud in Batam is very very soft... so yes, your question answers itself...
Airtags,
No further info with regards to the door. Although unlikely, but it wouldn't surprise me if the slides were unusable... ex Adam F/As have been caught by their seniors in their current employers for not checking the slide cylinder pressures... and, more than once...
More and more airlines are becoming very reluctant to accept former Adam crew because the "bad habits are hard to break"... and some have VERY bad habits.
ules & Brian Abraham,
The case of the door being stuck, isn't the only time in Adam Air. I am told on 2 different stories that particular case, one being parts of the door mechanism being deformed, the other was the door wouldn't close on departure and they forced it to close... and either way, the problem was nicely caught on camera... The video isn't from this case...
The mud in Batam is very very soft... so yes, your question answers itself...
Airtags,
No further info with regards to the door. Although unlikely, but it wouldn't surprise me if the slides were unusable... ex Adam F/As have been caught by their seniors in their current employers for not checking the slide cylinder pressures... and, more than once...
More and more airlines are becoming very reluctant to accept former Adam crew because the "bad habits are hard to break"... and some have VERY bad habits.
ules & Brian Abraham,
The case of the door being stuck, isn't the only time in Adam Air. I am told on 2 different stories that particular case, one being parts of the door mechanism being deformed, the other was the door wouldn't close on departure and they forced it to close... and either way, the problem was nicely caught on camera... The video isn't from this case...
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I don't agree. Gear Collapse or skidd off ranway: You should immediately evacuate. It is the normal rule. It is normal that during evacuation some part of passenger can be injured. But if you don't evacuate and fuel sparks later, you will be responsable of all the lives you didn't save. You will be Jailed
Think a little bit about the panic inside the cabin??? Or may be you will make an announcement that you are going to serve some fresh cold drink
(free of course)
Think a little bit about the panic inside the cabin??? Or may be you will make an announcement that you are going to serve some fresh cold drink
(free of course)
For some reasons that they chose to let the pax out from the port side which is steeper toward the ground where the starboard side is nearer to the ground and
less steep angle.Less chances of injuries.
Oh, I just figure out their reason.............cheap boss paid peanuts for brainless crew! They deserved to be shut.
less steep angle.Less chances of injuries.
Oh, I just figure out their reason.............cheap boss paid peanuts for brainless crew! They deserved to be shut.
For some reasons that they chose to let the pax out from the port side which is steeper toward the ground where the starboard side is nearer to the ground and
less steep angle.Less chances of injuries.
less steep angle.Less chances of injuries.
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I haven't heard of the DGAC pulling the plug on Adam Air yet, but here's what's happened:
1. 50% shareholder Bhakti Investama has pulled out of Adam Air citing "uncomfortable" as the reason. This was made public today.
2. The Suherman/Ang family is now the remaining shareholder. However, the family has a history of moving from business to business. Their previous business is trying to import chinese motorbikes before starting Adam Air, and now they've moved onto coal mining (I don't wanna see their mines!). It is said the family have lost interest on airlines.
3. The chances of Adam Air being merged into Bhakti Investama's upcoming airline "Eagle Air" is now zero. Adam Air themselves have said "it's impossible".
Now as to rumours:
1. I've heard infos that Adam Air sales offices have now closed their shops.
2. There are information that Adam Air HQ is also having a lot of police presence for unknown reasons.
Trying to get confirmation on these rumours as we speak.
For all we know the DGAC may have pulled the plug on Adam Air as we speak...
1. 50% shareholder Bhakti Investama has pulled out of Adam Air citing "uncomfortable" as the reason. This was made public today.
2. The Suherman/Ang family is now the remaining shareholder. However, the family has a history of moving from business to business. Their previous business is trying to import chinese motorbikes before starting Adam Air, and now they've moved onto coal mining (I don't wanna see their mines!). It is said the family have lost interest on airlines.
3. The chances of Adam Air being merged into Bhakti Investama's upcoming airline "Eagle Air" is now zero. Adam Air themselves have said "it's impossible".
Now as to rumours:
1. I've heard infos that Adam Air sales offices have now closed their shops.
2. There are information that Adam Air HQ is also having a lot of police presence for unknown reasons.
Trying to get confirmation on these rumours as we speak.
For all we know the DGAC may have pulled the plug on Adam Air as we speak...
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It's a bitter divorce!
In Flight Global,
DGAC confirms that several lessors have asked for 7 of their aircraft in Adam Air to be grounded. DGAC stated that Adam Air is having difficulty with the lessors and that the lessors request is based on business reasons, not safety reasons.
And Adam Air now trying to appear like a victim... Today in a press conference...
I guess my prediction was right in that this marriage wouldn't last for 2 years... it's gonna be 1 year to the month I think...
DGAC confirms that several lessors have asked for 7 of their aircraft in Adam Air to be grounded. DGAC stated that Adam Air is having difficulty with the lessors and that the lessors request is based on business reasons, not safety reasons.
And Adam Air now trying to appear like a victim... Today in a press conference...
Press Conference by Management of Adam Air:
1. AdamSkyConnection Airlines (Adam Air) is a company owned by the following shareholders:
- Suherman family 50%
- Global Transport Services 19% and Bright Star Perkasa 31%, both are subsidiaries/affiliates of Bhakti Investama.
2. Sometime ago the management has informed the shareholders of the financial condition of the company, which is suffering from a cash deficit. The management has recommended that the shareholders salvage the situation through cash injection into the company. Several meetings have taken place but to date, the management hasn't received any firm decisions from the shareholders. To date, the management has only received commitments from the Suherman family which holds 50% of the shares.
3. The news regarding the withdrawal of Global Transport Service and Bright Star Perkasa, who are affiliates of Bhakti Investama, to date, the management has not received official documents on the matter from that/those party(ies).
4. The withdrawal of those companies are however, correct, and the management of Adam Air regrets such irresponsible action. Currently Adam Air still has the obligation to provide the best service to the customers, provide guarantees to fulfill the rights of around 3000 staff, as well as obligations to third parties.
5. The news of the withdrawal of those companies, which have not been accompanied by formal notification/documentation has put the management of Adam Air under great difficulty in answering questions from the staff and 3rd parties such as aircraft lessors.
6. Due to the news of the withdrawal of those companies, the Management of Adam Air will send a formal letter to the shareholders to clarify the news.
1. AdamSkyConnection Airlines (Adam Air) is a company owned by the following shareholders:
- Suherman family 50%
- Global Transport Services 19% and Bright Star Perkasa 31%, both are subsidiaries/affiliates of Bhakti Investama.
2. Sometime ago the management has informed the shareholders of the financial condition of the company, which is suffering from a cash deficit. The management has recommended that the shareholders salvage the situation through cash injection into the company. Several meetings have taken place but to date, the management hasn't received any firm decisions from the shareholders. To date, the management has only received commitments from the Suherman family which holds 50% of the shares.
3. The news regarding the withdrawal of Global Transport Service and Bright Star Perkasa, who are affiliates of Bhakti Investama, to date, the management has not received official documents on the matter from that/those party(ies).
4. The withdrawal of those companies are however, correct, and the management of Adam Air regrets such irresponsible action. Currently Adam Air still has the obligation to provide the best service to the customers, provide guarantees to fulfill the rights of around 3000 staff, as well as obligations to third parties.
5. The news of the withdrawal of those companies, which have not been accompanied by formal notification/documentation has put the management of Adam Air under great difficulty in answering questions from the staff and 3rd parties such as aircraft lessors.
6. Due to the news of the withdrawal of those companies, the Management of Adam Air will send a formal letter to the shareholders to clarify the news.
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Adam Air ceases Operations!
Adam Air today (Sunday) announced that it will cease operations tomorrow.
The suspension will be effective until Adam Air finds a new investor to replace Bhakti Investama (50%) who announced on Friday that they no longer want to be a part of Adam Air.
The suspension will be effective until Adam Air finds a new investor to replace Bhakti Investama (50%) who announced on Friday that they no longer want to be a part of Adam Air.
Adam Air today (Sunday) announced that it will cease operations tomorrow.
The suspension will be effective until Adam Air finds a new investor to replace Bhakti Investama (50%) who announced on Friday that they no longer want to be a part of Adam Air.
The suspension will be effective until Adam Air finds a new investor to replace Bhakti Investama (50%) who announced on Friday that they no longer want to be a part of Adam Air.
I suppose this will satisfy the local flying public.
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Public confusion on Adam and Govt not happy
Adam can't even make up their minds on whether or not they're flying or not.
The Department of Communications (Transport) has stated that Adam Air needs to be firm on its plans whether to stop or continue operations. The minister has asked the DGAC to confirm with Adam Air whether the airline has decided to continue or not, despite yesterday's announcement that they will stop operating today and that today Adam Air flights are still continuing. Adam Air must declare its suspension of operations otherwise an undeclared suspension will result in it's AOC being revoked after 21 days of an undeclared suspension.
Adam Air is left with a fleet of 9 (from 21). From 52 routes it is down to 12 routes. Today, Adam is reported to have only served Medan, Denpasar, Padang, Surabaya and Bengkulu.
Travel Agencies are closely monitoring the developments at Adam Air. There are confusion as to when Adam will stop operating. Yesterday it was announced that they would stop operations today, but agents have heard 20th as the date of last operations.
Mass refunds have started in Jogjakarta, and Adam Air has stopped operating to JOG.
Surabaya Airport hasn't received notification from Adam on suspension of operations. Adam Air sales office at Surabaya Airport is still serving customers. The airport has also revealed that flight schedules has been reduced since 9th March... from 10 flights a day down to 4 flights a day by the 11th, and 2 flights were scheduled on 12th with only 1 flight actually operating and today, only 1 flight was reported.
Adam Air also owes PT. Angkasa Pura II (APII) (the operator for most of the Airports in Western Indonesia) around 300,000 USD, resulting in APII impounding 5 of Adam Air's aircraft until it is clear whether Adam Air will continue operating or not.
It was reported yesterday in the Jawa Pos newspaper that there are talks of a new investor from the Middle East to replace Bhakti Investama. However, discussions with several Adam Air employees yesterday, revealed that even that's not certain. The company is basically running without any direction as we speak. Sales offices don't know if the flights are going to operate or not. Staff are worried that the "news" on a new investor is deliberately put out to quell their demands of severance pays, etc... because this has happened before at other airlines that has closed down as a method to "stall" those payments and entitlements.
I'm still receiving calls from friends at travel agencies who are panicked about their ticket deposits at Adam...
The Department of Communications (Transport) has stated that Adam Air needs to be firm on its plans whether to stop or continue operations. The minister has asked the DGAC to confirm with Adam Air whether the airline has decided to continue or not, despite yesterday's announcement that they will stop operating today and that today Adam Air flights are still continuing. Adam Air must declare its suspension of operations otherwise an undeclared suspension will result in it's AOC being revoked after 21 days of an undeclared suspension.
Adam Air is left with a fleet of 9 (from 21). From 52 routes it is down to 12 routes. Today, Adam is reported to have only served Medan, Denpasar, Padang, Surabaya and Bengkulu.
Travel Agencies are closely monitoring the developments at Adam Air. There are confusion as to when Adam will stop operating. Yesterday it was announced that they would stop operations today, but agents have heard 20th as the date of last operations.
Mass refunds have started in Jogjakarta, and Adam Air has stopped operating to JOG.
Surabaya Airport hasn't received notification from Adam on suspension of operations. Adam Air sales office at Surabaya Airport is still serving customers. The airport has also revealed that flight schedules has been reduced since 9th March... from 10 flights a day down to 4 flights a day by the 11th, and 2 flights were scheduled on 12th with only 1 flight actually operating and today, only 1 flight was reported.
Adam Air also owes PT. Angkasa Pura II (APII) (the operator for most of the Airports in Western Indonesia) around 300,000 USD, resulting in APII impounding 5 of Adam Air's aircraft until it is clear whether Adam Air will continue operating or not.
It was reported yesterday in the Jawa Pos newspaper that there are talks of a new investor from the Middle East to replace Bhakti Investama. However, discussions with several Adam Air employees yesterday, revealed that even that's not certain. The company is basically running without any direction as we speak. Sales offices don't know if the flights are going to operate or not. Staff are worried that the "news" on a new investor is deliberately put out to quell their demands of severance pays, etc... because this has happened before at other airlines that has closed down as a method to "stall" those payments and entitlements.
I'm still receiving calls from friends at travel agencies who are panicked about their ticket deposits at Adam...