AAIB initial report out on BA B777 crash at LHR
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7x7 don't be a prat.
Proper CRM would involve both pilots working in the very very short time available to try and resolve the problem, not squabbling over who has official control over the aircraft. In these times, working to SOPs and working together are significantly more important than who has more bars on their shoulder.
600' and 2mls may not sound like much, but if you lost ALL power in a 777 you can bet your arse that 0' would be rushing up to meet you pretty bloody quickly.
Proper CRM would involve both pilots working in the very very short time available to try and resolve the problem, not squabbling over who has official control over the aircraft. In these times, working to SOPs and working together are significantly more important than who has more bars on their shoulder.
600' and 2mls may not sound like much, but if you lost ALL power in a 777 you can bet your arse that 0' would be rushing up to meet you pretty bloody quickly.
7X7: good question, I've thought about and I can honestly say it would depend who the F/O was. A high 777 time Senior F/O that was handling the aircraft ok in the situation I would let him continue and help if necessary.
With a low time inexperienced F/O on the 777 I would probably take over.
I'm certainly not going to sit there and watch anyone stuff it up.
Sticking to SOP's would be a good start.
With a low time inexperienced F/O on the 777 I would probably take over.
I'm certainly not going to sit there and watch anyone stuff it up.
Sticking to SOP's would be a good start.
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AAIB has issued a report on an Airbus A319-131 which had electrical problems departing EGLL/LHR in 2005 - 22 Oct.
That aircraft [crew did their job within 90 seconds] continued its flight and presumably was examined as thoroughly as the BA 777 is being right now.
It seems with anything electrical as opposed to mechanical there are few electronic 'witness marks/structural damage' results when electrons are involved. Except in some cases burnt wires and boxes.
AAIB Report No: 2/2008 G-EUOB
There is a significant paragraph in that states in part,
"It was not possible to determine the cause of the incident due to a lack of suitable evidence..."
Will there be a similar result with the 777 as all the evidence is presumably at hand, FDR stuff etc?
Might be a long wait for a certain conclusion - if ever.
That aircraft [crew did their job within 90 seconds] continued its flight and presumably was examined as thoroughly as the BA 777 is being right now.
It seems with anything electrical as opposed to mechanical there are few electronic 'witness marks/structural damage' results when electrons are involved. Except in some cases burnt wires and boxes.
AAIB Report No: 2/2008 G-EUOB
There is a significant paragraph in that states in part,
"It was not possible to determine the cause of the incident due to a lack of suitable evidence..."
Will there be a similar result with the 777 as all the evidence is presumably at hand, FDR stuff etc?
Might be a long wait for a certain conclusion - if ever.
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So far the only thing that we know, FOR CERTAIN, is that, whenever we get the eventual outcome of the investigation, MANY PEOPLE on this thread should be eating humble pie and SOMEONE may be able to say "I told you so", PERHAPS!
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Dream Land, let me speculate as to why people are so annoyed by speculation:
First, I doubt many people are too worried about well-informed speculation; it's the contradictory rubbish that is getting on people's nerves, especially when it's stated as fact.
We've seen the same photos supposedly proving the engines WERE turning and WEREN'T turning, that the RAT was out and working or not extended at all, people who have never been on a 777 flight deck explaining (incorrectly) the working of the auto-throttle system and so on.
Second, it's well known that the media read this forum to feed their insatiable need for information, accurate or not.
Combine these two issues and I can see why all the speculation is a sore point.
Bobbsy
First, I doubt many people are too worried about well-informed speculation; it's the contradictory rubbish that is getting on people's nerves, especially when it's stated as fact.
We've seen the same photos supposedly proving the engines WERE turning and WEREN'T turning, that the RAT was out and working or not extended at all, people who have never been on a 777 flight deck explaining (incorrectly) the working of the auto-throttle system and so on.
Second, it's well known that the media read this forum to feed their insatiable need for information, accurate or not.
Combine these two issues and I can see why all the speculation is a sore point.
Bobbsy
And start a new one... Will shut some of the crack pots up 
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Please see new thread in light of updated AAIB interim report.
Some of the less informed speculation will hopefully die down. Anything deemed too lowbrow will be moved to the WAG's (Wives & Girlfriends) thread in Jet Blast where the pretenders can battle it out with the other assorted conspiracy theorists and anoraks.
Some of the less informed speculation will hopefully die down. Anything deemed too lowbrow will be moved to the WAG's (Wives & Girlfriends) thread in Jet Blast where the pretenders can battle it out with the other assorted conspiracy theorists and anoraks.
