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Minima ? what is going on out there?

Old 15th Jan 2008, 09:34
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Originally Posted by Right Way Up
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Approach ban is not a UK limitation it is a JAR one. (1.405) The term is an old one but still applies that you cannot pass the marker or equivalent point unless the RVR is equal or better to minima.
We understand each other quite well. Yet there is no such thing as "approach ban" in JAR OPS 1.405. The OM/equivalent position requirement is a operator's procedure (a regulation-forced one). Let's keep the term "approach ban" for moments when ATC will refuse to issue an approach clearance, which is a UK thing. Savvy?
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Old 15th Jan 2008, 10:07
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Shot Nancy,

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When there is an R in front of the runway then that means that it is an RVR and the N means no change (not North!). U would mean RVR increasing and D decreasing.

RVR past tendancy: U (up), D (down), or N (no change).

I think we are all being wound up.
Perhaps I should have added "RVR values since the last report"!

Who's winding up who?
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Old 16th Jan 2008, 18:47
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Savvy?
Not exactly when regarding Jar Ops! but we are both on the same wavelength.

ATC don't ban you they just warn you that you will be landing below minima. Stolen from the locos landing below minima thread (from UK AIP)

4 If pilots state that it is their intention to commence an instrument approach and the reported RVR is below the Absolute Minimum,
ATC will issue a warning message as follows:
‘(Callsign) you are advised that the current RVR/visibility is (number) metres which is below the absolute minimum for a (name)
approach to runway (number). What are your intentions?’
4.1 If pilots indicate that it is their intention to continue the approach below 1000 ft above aerodrome level, ATC will pass the
following message:
‘(Callsign) if you continue the approach and descend below 1000 ft above aerodrome level, it is believed that you will be
contravening UK legislation and I shall be required to report the facts, acknowledge’.
This will be followed, at the appropriate moment, with:
‘(Callsign) there is no known traffic to affect you making a (name) approach to runway (number)’.
Subsequently, ATC controllers will not issue a landing clearance but will use the following phraseology at the appropriate time:
‘(Callsign) runway visual range (number) metres, there is no known traffic to affect you landing, surface wind (number) degrees
(number (knots))’.
Seems like a fair procedure. Might just stop you from making a big error.

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 06:48
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I stand corrected.
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