Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Air Canada A319 hits turbulence

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Air Canada A319 hits turbulence

Old 10th Jan 2008, 16:08
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Toronto
Posts: 212
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Canadian PAX injured ?

Breaking news from CBC News:
_______________________________________________


Emergency crews are rushing to the Calgary airport in response to
reports that an Air Canadaflight from Cranbook, B.C.,has landed with
several seriously injured people on board.


Anybody know anything about this? CBC don;t normally use exaggerated headlines.
ve3id is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 16:28
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Emergency landing

Calgary Herald

Published: Thursday, January 10, 2008
Emergency crews are on the scene at Calgary Airport after an Air Canada plane travelling from Victoria to Toronto was hit by turbulence and passengers were injured this morning.
Nine ambulances are lined up on the departures level, ready to take patients to hospital.
Duty inspector Richard Hinse said between six and eight people were seriously injured while other passengers sustained minor injuries.
"It went up and then sideways," said one passenger, who said a friend of hers was hurt. "She flew up to the ceiling and right down."

Traffic at the airport is being diverted.
An Air Canada Airbus A319 headed from Victoria to Toronto made the unscheduled stop in Calgary at about 8:30 a.m. MT.
More details to follow.
AngrySquirrel is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 16:32
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
According to recent CBC report the pax suffered injury whilst the aircraft encountered turbulence...
SpeedbirdXK8 is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 16:58
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: England
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Latest CBC report:-

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...s-landing.html
Chap6168 is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 17:04
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 427
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Air Canada A319 hits turbulence

Air Canada confirms emergency landing at Calgary

Thu 10 Jan 2008, 16:30 GMT

[-] Text [+]

TORONTO (Reuters) - Air Canada confirmed on Thursday that flight AC190, travelling to Toronto from Victoria, British Columbia, made an emergency landing at the Calgary, Alberta, airport because of unspecified passenger injuries.
The airline, owned by ACE Aviation Holdings Inc, said the Airbus A319 passenger list shows the plane was carrying 83 passengers and five crew members, but it said those numbers were based on the preliminary list and were subject to confirmation.
It also said the exact number of passengers taken to hospital was not available.
robbreid is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 17:20
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 2,479
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm hoping that the seatbelt signs were on when these people got injured. Nothing annoys me more than seeing folks walking around with the sign on. I'm convinced they think that pilots turn on the signs just because the chime sounds nice.
Check Airman is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 17:25
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wherever Carmen says...
Posts: 274
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Annoys the hell out of me when they get up too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7181801.stm
BlueTui is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 17:29
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 427
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
C-GBHZ ACA190 Airbus A319-114

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...425Z/CYYJ/CYYZ
robbreid is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:05
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: On the move
Posts: 940
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yup my thoughts exactly hope those seat belt signs were on.
ab33t is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:10
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: North Bay ON Canada
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Airport News Conference

There was a press briefing at Calgary airport about an hour ago. Six people transported to hospital, at least one described as condition "yellow" meaning stable but potentially life threatening. No information given on the incident itself or how the injuries were caused.
Jimbo
jimbo canuck is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:14
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Seat belt signs??

Why all this talk of seat belt signs when no-one has posted the prevailing weather conditions yet? Could it not have been CAT? In which case, I feel sorry for the pax & crew wandering about at the time, pure bad luck & hope the injuries arent too severe...
perkin is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:30
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: In the shack
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
http://www.flightplanning.navcanada....n&TypeDoc=html

Granite Monolith is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:41
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Alabama
Age: 58
Posts: 366
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Mind your words

SLF here...
I am usually not posting on this threads for professionals, but frankly I do not deem this post appropriate, as well as at least another one that follows it.
Yes we are SLF, but we are not idiots and I believe that you should give more respect to the passengers that are obeying to the sign belts when are on.
May I remind you that without SLFs you will just one of the cargo pilots that are flying a number of cargo aircrafts around the world?
Are you absolutely confident that anytime you switch on the seat belt sign there is danger? or even worse...how many times the you did not switch it on time? This thread should be addressing other issues than the SLF being fasten. Where was the cabin crew? Did they enforce the seat bealt sign? We can go on forever...
Regards
FrequentSLF is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:48
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 347
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
FYI

Part of Air Canada's onboard announcements include a reminder that seatbelts should be fastened at all times when the passenger is in their seat.
innuendo is online now  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:55
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 48
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Frequent SLF, I do take your point. And in my many years as cabin crew, I found that most passengers were conscientious and intelligent about fastening belts and staying seated when the signs came on. But there were also far too many who made a point of ignoring them. As crew, we came in for a lot of abuse if we tried to enforce the signs. The situation was possibly not helped by the hare-trigger reaction of some flight crews, to switch on the signs at the slightest hint of a bump. It's the old Cry Wolf phenomenon.. "But you're walking around!" was a common protest (Protest.. As if by asking them to strap in we were in some way trying to put one over on them..!) I somtimes had to bite my tongue not to snap back, "Ah yes, but we're insured!" It was especially galling with the citizens of a certain famously litigious country, whom we knew would be the first to rush bleating to a lawyer if they were injured; we sometimes wondered if that was the whole point.
Honeytruck is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 18:57
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: La Belle Province
Posts: 2,179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
@Frequent SLF

Are you absolutely confident that anytime you switch on the seat belt sign there is danger
Frankly, from a safety point of view, it's hardly relevant if there's no danger yet the crew switch on the signs; it just means the signs are on more often than the absolute minimum amount of time. Unless the "false warnings" become so prevalent as to cause a "chicken little" effect, what matters is that warnings be given when needed as much as is possible. A few false alarms are the price you pay for being warned when necessary.
Mad (Flt) Scientist is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 19:09
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, looking at that map it seems there was been mod to sev CAT forecast...even so, I don't really see the benefit of ridiculing those who have been injured until the whole story is known. Postulate on what caused this event by all means, but to make the implication this was entirely the fault of the injured pax is just plain stupid!
perkin is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 19:19
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Alabama
Age: 58
Posts: 366
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
@MLS
I do agree with your comments. False alarms are part of the "game". I do not agree on the comments that wants to put the blame on the SLF. IMHO it is outrageous a comment such as
"I'm hoping that the seatbelt signs were on when these people got injured. Nothing annoys me more than seeing folks walking around with the sign on. I'm convinced they think that pilots turn on the signs just because the chime sounds nice."
I do fully agree with the basic principle of the statement (i.e. seat bealts sign on...fasten the seat bealt and be quite on your seat).
I do question the sarcasm (i.e. sounds of chime) and the use/abuse of the sign by some airlines. Really what I could not agree is the tone of the statement...
Anyway, let me aks you a simple question...why the cabin crew most of the times is walking around when the seat belt sign is on? Would be simplier that all cabin crew sits down, this will not give excuses for the SLF to walk around too? Anyway my point is not to the need of respecting an instruction (fasten seat belt), I disagree on the way it was expressed.
Regards
FrequentSLF is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 19:22
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Dubai - sand land.
Age: 54
Posts: 2,832
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Look at the chart - moderate to severe CAT is nowhere near Alberta!! (Assuming this is the correct sigwx chart)

And yes - too many do have a hair-trigger reaction to a few little bumps!!! And Innuendo - FYI, most airlines these days have the same announcement. Certainly mandatory for us here in the sandpit..
White Knight is online now  
Old 10th Jan 2008, 19:30
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Alabama
Age: 58
Posts: 366
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, looking at that map it seems there was been mod to sev CAT forecast...even so, I don't really see the benefit of ridiculing those who have been injured until the whole story is known. Postulate on what caused this event by all means, but to make the implication this was entirely the fault of the injured pax is just plain stupid!
I wish my English knowledge could have expressed the above in my earlier posts.
FrequentSLF is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.