Disney World Comes to Flyglobespan
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Disney World Comes to Flyglobespan
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-20273661/
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/othe...gine_fails.php
Best part all is well.
Interesting read
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/othe...gine_fails.php
Best part all is well.
Interesting read
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So at which point did the aircraft plummet 20000' and just how did the passengers manage to ascertain that the aircraft was struggling to stay airborne?!?
Passenger aircraft shouldn't have windows down the back. It would cut the majority of the crap you read in the papers!
That said, they'd make up this nonsense to get a story regardless.
Passenger aircraft shouldn't have windows down the back. It would cut the majority of the crap you read in the papers!
That said, they'd make up this nonsense to get a story regardless.
Ties in with another thread on the SLF section. Bear13583 was on the flight. Appears from his description that the Daily Record version's has had an application of some journalistic license. Can't seem to recall a row 13 on a GSM 757 either. The Scotsman version is a bit more balanced.
It's nice to see that the travelling public are so brainwashed by hollywood films that they automatically expect to be intimitely involved in a scene of carnage and assume that an aircraft will explode as soon as something goes wrong.
It's nice to see that the travelling public are so brainwashed by hollywood films that they automatically expect to be intimitely involved in a scene of carnage and assume that an aircraft will explode as soon as something goes wrong.
well i`m glad the captain decided not to fly the atlantic on one engine, we had a long enough thread on the BA with one of four out.
dont know how they managed to plummet 20000 ft from 4000, without leaving a big hole in the ground. i suppose "pilot handled a well practised scenario, and landed safely without anybody getting hurt", was a bit too easy to write.
dont know how they managed to plummet 20000 ft from 4000, without leaving a big hole in the ground. i suppose "pilot handled a well practised scenario, and landed safely without anybody getting hurt", was a bit too easy to write.
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757s have no fuel dump facility. Record Journo's should be arrested for writing lies like this.
TD should sue for this poor piece of journalism / libel. The Herald seems to have been better informed.
Unfortunately for GSM, The Record's target readership are GSM's target pax.
GSM used to advertise daily in this rag.....I wonder if they don't now, as I can't imagine any newspapers slating their advertisers like this??
TD should sue for this poor piece of journalism / libel. The Herald seems to have been better informed.
Unfortunately for GSM, The Record's target readership are GSM's target pax.
GSM used to advertise daily in this rag.....I wonder if they don't now, as I can't imagine any newspapers slating their advertisers like this??
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Interesting comments from "professionals"? I don't know how many of you have been on a twin when one of the engines decided to shred a few blades. I have, on a SAS B767 PEK-CPH and trust me, it's no fun. The vibrations created by the imbalance are incredible. I heard the bang, but the extreme vibrations led me to believe that a major part of the fuselage or wing was flapping in the wind. After the engine power was reduced to idle the vibrations were reduced, but still uncomfortable.
By all means, please continue to look down at SLF and journalists, you seem to agree more on that subject than de-icing. I just wish I had some of you guys on one of my ships during a winter North-Atlantic crossing. I would love to read your post-crossing diary.
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By all means, please continue to look down at SLF and journalists, you seem to agree more on that subject than de-icing. I just wish I had some of you guys on one of my ships during a winter North-Atlantic crossing. I would love to read your post-crossing diary.
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757s have no fuel dump facility. Record Journo's should be arrested for writing lies like this.
TD should sue for this poor piece of journalism / libel. The Herald seems to have been better informed.
TD should sue for this poor piece of journalism / libel. The Herald seems to have been better informed.
"The pilot felt he could not fly the Atlantic with that so he circled for a while, radioed that he was heading back to Sanford and dumped some fuel and landed. It was a precautionary landing." -- The Herald
This is a direct quote from a Globespan spokesperson - or so it seems.
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That Record piece has to be a wind up. The woman is having a piss take, surely? Even a moron doesn't make up that much crap, does she?
Ah, it's Scottish: that explains it. She went to the same school as Gordon Brown.
Ah, it's Scottish: that explains it. She went to the same school as Gordon Brown.
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Oh come on! Give it a break. We all know how dramatic some journalists can be and we always end up with threads like this, stating the "bleedin' obvious".
Just contrast the two articles linked to in the first post and you can see which one is realistic and which one has been written up by a lesser cousin of a Baboon. ( Apologies to Baboons).
FlyGlobespan B757 has engine surge after take off. Crew decide to return to Sanford and circle for several hours to burn off fuel. Uneventful landing and orderly disembarkation of pax. End of story.
If you want to have the usual pigfest of crap journalistic standards then please go to Jet Blast forum.
Just contrast the two articles linked to in the first post and you can see which one is realistic and which one has been written up by a lesser cousin of a Baboon. ( Apologies to Baboons).
FlyGlobespan B757 has engine surge after take off. Crew decide to return to Sanford and circle for several hours to burn off fuel. Uneventful landing and orderly disembarkation of pax. End of story.
If you want to have the usual pigfest of crap journalistic standards then please go to Jet Blast forum.
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Ah, it's Scottish: that explains it. She went to the same school as Gordon Brown.
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Perhaps this ones been done before, but I believe this is the system that journalists use for any flying related incident - http://radans.net/jens/planestory.html
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Well said AM.
There are some extremely arrogant people on this site who again fail to understand how it may have been for some of the pax on this flight in this incident and are more interested in trying to belittle those involved.
I would hope that the suggestion "Passenger aircraft shouldn't have windows down the back. It would cut the majority of the crap you read in the papers!" is not a serious attempt at debate.
Yes - we all know that many journos want to sensationalise and are often inaccurate but this happens in many other fields of industry where they are certainly not expert. Similarly many passengers know little or nothing of how an aeroplane works and certainly will not have a clue in such circumstances.
However I would like to see how the family and friends of some of our intrepid posters would react if something similar happened to them. Such an incident can be VERY alarming and people shouldn't be too quick to shoot SLF down in flames just because with the benefit of inside knowledge and hindsight they 'know' all turns out well. When an engine behaves like that and you are sitting next to it as a nervous flyer then see how you feel.
There are some extremely arrogant people on this site who again fail to understand how it may have been for some of the pax on this flight in this incident and are more interested in trying to belittle those involved.
I would hope that the suggestion "Passenger aircraft shouldn't have windows down the back. It would cut the majority of the crap you read in the papers!" is not a serious attempt at debate.
Yes - we all know that many journos want to sensationalise and are often inaccurate but this happens in many other fields of industry where they are certainly not expert. Similarly many passengers know little or nothing of how an aeroplane works and certainly will not have a clue in such circumstances.
However I would like to see how the family and friends of some of our intrepid posters would react if something similar happened to them. Such an incident can be VERY alarming and people shouldn't be too quick to shoot SLF down in flames just because with the benefit of inside knowledge and hindsight they 'know' all turns out well. When an engine behaves like that and you are sitting next to it as a nervous flyer then see how you feel.
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See, Danny, this is what I referred to in my post on "PPRuNe sold" thread in Jet Blast. A reasonable post has turned into a slagging match.
I've written to the Daily Record to correct their notions of ETOPS (not just over water) and the fact that the 757 cannot dump fuel (I've worked on them for years so I should know).
I've written to the Daily Record to correct their notions of ETOPS (not just over water) and the fact that the 757 cannot dump fuel (I've worked on them for years so I should know).
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Having reviewed the report over breakfast this morning, we noted that in fact the DailyRecord included 2 correct statements.
They are the dailyrecord
It is the 4th January 2008 (at time of reading.)
So well done them!
All else is the substance of a cheap made-for-tv-movie script.
They are the dailyrecord
It is the 4th January 2008 (at time of reading.)
So well done them!
All else is the substance of a cheap made-for-tv-movie script.
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For the benefit of any non-Scots reading this thread, this standard of journalism is par for the course for the Daily Record, where mis-reporting and gross exageration is the norm - we Scots take it all with a pinch of salt. It is unfortunate though that this sort of article makes it appear that the airline is somehow at fault and probably deters nervous potential new passengers. And this at a time when GSM need all the good press that they can get.
However, it is fair to say that your average SLF with no knowledge of aircraft ops, far less about the implications of an engine surge, is going to crap himself if he hears a bang and sees a spurt of flame where there shouldn't be any. And I suspect that even the best flight crew in the business are going to find it difficult to communicate a calming message to all of them. Between the incident and landing, and then the SLF being interviewed by the press, their imaginations will have probably had time to remember seeing the wing almost fall off..............
However, it is fair to say that your average SLF with no knowledge of aircraft ops, far less about the implications of an engine surge, is going to crap himself if he hears a bang and sees a spurt of flame where there shouldn't be any. And I suspect that even the best flight crew in the business are going to find it difficult to communicate a calming message to all of them. Between the incident and landing, and then the SLF being interviewed by the press, their imaginations will have probably had time to remember seeing the wing almost fall off..............
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I went to the bother of registering with the Daily Record site, so that I could post a 'readers comment'.
I asked why the headline did not tally with the report vis a vis the 20,000Ft plunge when in the report it stated that the aircraft (to paraphrase) 'could not climb or accelerate after the incident, which happened at around 4000Ft''.
Funny old thing, the comment has not been added to the web-site, yet a comment from someone who obviously does not have much to do with aviation was (in big green text as well, I might add!)
The Daily Record is at the end of the day, a newspaper in the same mould as the Sun and the Star
I asked why the headline did not tally with the report vis a vis the 20,000Ft plunge when in the report it stated that the aircraft (to paraphrase) 'could not climb or accelerate after the incident, which happened at around 4000Ft''.
Funny old thing, the comment has not been added to the web-site, yet a comment from someone who obviously does not have much to do with aviation was (in big green text as well, I might add!)
The Daily Record is at the end of the day, a newspaper in the same mould as the Sun and the Star
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The Daily Record is at the end of the day, a newspaper in the same mould as the Sun and the Star
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Huh, What else can be said about these 'Lowlife Journos'
Im sure they missed out = GSM 757 crashes through the gates to Disneyland.
GSM 757 then made a crash landing......
As I have said before only the Terminally Stupid ever read or buy these
so - called papers.
I would presume Fleet Street is 'crash proof' then
Im sure they missed out = GSM 757 crashes through the gates to Disneyland.
GSM 757 then made a crash landing......
As I have said before only the Terminally Stupid ever read or buy these
so - called papers.
I would presume Fleet Street is 'crash proof' then