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Below the Glidepath - not correcting
Just as I wouldn't expect to reach for a copy of the Pilots Operating Handbook for salacious tales of high altitude antics in row 27, neither would I reach for a copy of The Daily Record should I need to consult reference data regarding the safe operation of an aircraft.
Methinks you set your expectations too high when reading the gutter press, and thus are doomed to a world of crushing disappointment everytime some would-be Clark Kent miscounts the stator vanes on an engine, or confuses Millibars with Hectopascals.
Methinks you set your expectations too high when reading the gutter press, and thus are doomed to a world of crushing disappointment everytime some would-be Clark Kent miscounts the stator vanes on an engine, or confuses Millibars with Hectopascals.
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Remember that a newspaper is used for many things, wrapping the fish n chips in, wrapping other nasty things in and always in an emergency cut into 4" x 4" squares in the place of "andrex" 
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This has to be the worst ever piece of hatchet journalism I have ever read. But then you realise its written in the comic called the Daily Record and its gutter press at its very worst.
I hope that GSM will refuse to have anything more to do with this useless rag. I would not use this rag to wrap chips in but it is a useful alternative to a sick bag!
I hope that GSM will refuse to have anything more to do with this useless rag. I would not use this rag to wrap chips in but it is a useful alternative to a sick bag!
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This is a shocking piece of journalism.
But I do wonder: if this kind of incident ever happens to you guys, will you symphathise with the passengers, reassure them and EXPLAIN the situation so that they don't give these ridiculous quotes to the press (if they're actually true), or will you just ignore them because you know best and, well, they probably wouldn't understand anyway?
If you want to improve the media's understanding of aviation issues, you have to engage, not hurl abuse.
Just a thought.
But I do wonder: if this kind of incident ever happens to you guys, will you symphathise with the passengers, reassure them and EXPLAIN the situation so that they don't give these ridiculous quotes to the press (if they're actually true), or will you just ignore them because you know best and, well, they probably wouldn't understand anyway?
If you want to improve the media's understanding of aviation issues, you have to engage, not hurl abuse.
Just a thought.
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Somewhat more even handed presentation from CNBC than the "Daily Rangers", stating that there was no serious damage to the plane, even although there was some engine flaming and even explaining the need to circle to burn off fuel. Short, informative, factual and non-sensational. Just what a report should be.
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I think "The Record" being put straight by the GSM pax involved should just about finish this thread off.
LJ
I think "The Record" being put straight by the GSM pax involved should just about finish this thread off.
LJ
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Trans Atlantic Horror as Vacationers Die to get off Plane
Passangers of TransPond airlines were subjected to a horrific ordeal yesterday as what was supposed to be the end of a beautiful vacation turned into abject terror.
"Even starting out was terrible" said 40 year old E.W. Ponce. "I could see Passengers being thrown back into their seats as the plane accelerated wildly on the runway at barbados"
Pilots wrenched the Boink 888 off the runway into an unsteady wavering climb as they struggled to get the landing gear up in a desperate attempt to get to a height where they would no longer be in danger of hitting the ground immediately.
Mrs W. Tannoy (55) said "It was terrible. We were scared for 8 hours. We were all locked in this metal tube where it was dark and cold. The Crew members wouldnt let anyone out. I saw people reading the Bible. A small child in the row behind me wouldnt stop crying, it was so bored. They even served me red wine with my fish"
The horrible ordeal was however far from over. At the end of the terrible hours of unsteady flying over the ocean where waves could be seen crashing into each other, real hell began.
The aircraft plunged wildly from over 36000 feet down to less than 2000 feet.
"It was gut-wrenching", said Mr F. Pukey (80) who was travelling with his Wife and his Son, who had his own wife and three year old baby with him. "We could see the surface of the ocean get closer and closer, We all held hands, and my wife tried to comfort the baby"
The plane full of holiday makers smashed into the Runway at Gatwick, and although luckily noone was injured, all passengers were seriously shocked.
"I could see the runway rush by at a terrific rate" said Mr Pukey "I could feel the wheels thump down. I saw other Passengers grip theis seats armrests in terror. I could see the back of the engines actually move, i thought they were about to fall off"
The aircraft careerd down the runway as the pilots desperately reversed the engines in an attempt to stop the plane in time. The plane was then forced to leave the runway by a taxiway and thread its way to the terminal where the relieved passengers were finally allowed to get off.
"Ill never fly again" said Mrs E. Fearsomm "They should be ashamed of themselves. When we were down, I saw these People just stand around the Plane as if nothing had happened. They all wore uniform, but they didnt help us."
Staff from TransPond airlines refused to comment on this terrible Event. Secret sources report however, that the Pilot of the catastrophe-plane was overheard to comment to other crew members "Huh? what reporter, What flight? That Flight? Nothing happened on that flight."
Clearly the Airline and Pilots have no interest whatsoever in what passengers had to go through on this shocking journey.
I should apply for a job as reporter..
"Even starting out was terrible" said 40 year old E.W. Ponce. "I could see Passengers being thrown back into their seats as the plane accelerated wildly on the runway at barbados"
Pilots wrenched the Boink 888 off the runway into an unsteady wavering climb as they struggled to get the landing gear up in a desperate attempt to get to a height where they would no longer be in danger of hitting the ground immediately.
Mrs W. Tannoy (55) said "It was terrible. We were scared for 8 hours. We were all locked in this metal tube where it was dark and cold. The Crew members wouldnt let anyone out. I saw people reading the Bible. A small child in the row behind me wouldnt stop crying, it was so bored. They even served me red wine with my fish"
The horrible ordeal was however far from over. At the end of the terrible hours of unsteady flying over the ocean where waves could be seen crashing into each other, real hell began.
The aircraft plunged wildly from over 36000 feet down to less than 2000 feet.
"It was gut-wrenching", said Mr F. Pukey (80) who was travelling with his Wife and his Son, who had his own wife and three year old baby with him. "We could see the surface of the ocean get closer and closer, We all held hands, and my wife tried to comfort the baby"
The plane full of holiday makers smashed into the Runway at Gatwick, and although luckily noone was injured, all passengers were seriously shocked.
"I could see the runway rush by at a terrific rate" said Mr Pukey "I could feel the wheels thump down. I saw other Passengers grip theis seats armrests in terror. I could see the back of the engines actually move, i thought they were about to fall off"
The aircraft careerd down the runway as the pilots desperately reversed the engines in an attempt to stop the plane in time. The plane was then forced to leave the runway by a taxiway and thread its way to the terminal where the relieved passengers were finally allowed to get off.
"Ill never fly again" said Mrs E. Fearsomm "They should be ashamed of themselves. When we were down, I saw these People just stand around the Plane as if nothing had happened. They all wore uniform, but they didnt help us."
Staff from TransPond airlines refused to comment on this terrible Event. Secret sources report however, that the Pilot of the catastrophe-plane was overheard to comment to other crew members "Huh? what reporter, What flight? That Flight? Nothing happened on that flight."
Clearly the Airline and Pilots have no interest whatsoever in what passengers had to go through on this shocking journey.
I should apply for a job as reporter..
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Cannot understand why he has to circle for 2 hours to burn off Fulel! Only one engine left, should be "Mayday" and on the ground a.s.a.p...thats what the Airbus ECAM would recommend! We practise it on every simulator check: Engine FailL: Mayday: Overweight Landing: End of Drama...........
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Not always Boss Cat, incident some years ago when a twin in Canada lost an engine, made for the nearest airfiled, couldn't get in couldn't go around either, crashed, killed all on board and still had three hours single engine endurance. An engine failure in a 75 is no cause for hasty action, they can go for three hours plus on ETOPS.
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Hey crikey, you are sooo in touch with airplanes and stuff.
Seriously, the style you used is indicative of what we all in this business have to put up with from this bunch of NUMPTY
through our working lives.
I wouldn't say they talk or write like some, but I do assert their gums bleed every 28 days!!!!!!!
Rant over, another glass of good Scottish single malt.
Seriously, the style you used is indicative of what we all in this business have to put up with from this bunch of NUMPTY
through our working lives.I wouldn't say they talk or write like some, but I do assert their gums bleed every 28 days!!!!!!!
Rant over, another glass of good Scottish single malt.
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I'm not sure if what's good for an Airbus would necessarily be good for a 757.Globespan's 757(if they still have only the one) has RB211-E4 engines and if one of those surges,Boeing/Rolls Royce suggest pulling back the thrust lever in the hope the engine comes out of the surge regime and can be operated at reduced power.
Many airlines suggest an overweight landing should be avoided if at all possible.Going around the hold on one and a half (or even one) engines until below MLW and then carrying out a single engine configured approach and landing,ie at a reduced flap setting so a go around could be more easily accomplished,would seem to me to be the ideal solution.
But surely what we should all learn from this is that a timely,loud and clear PA,explaining what has happened, in easy to understand non-dramatic layman's language,checking with the CC it could be heard clearly in the cabin,is equaly as important as the QRH and CRM. A surging engine,particularly at night,can be frightening things for everyone aboard.IMHO good communication can draw the sting of these situations and if you do it right,the passengers will tell you.
Many airlines suggest an overweight landing should be avoided if at all possible.Going around the hold on one and a half (or even one) engines until below MLW and then carrying out a single engine configured approach and landing,ie at a reduced flap setting so a go around could be more easily accomplished,would seem to me to be the ideal solution.
But surely what we should all learn from this is that a timely,loud and clear PA,explaining what has happened, in easy to understand non-dramatic layman's language,checking with the CC it could be heard clearly in the cabin,is equaly as important as the QRH and CRM. A surging engine,particularly at night,can be frightening things for everyone aboard.IMHO good communication can draw the sting of these situations and if you do it right,the passengers will tell you.
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when i clicked on the original link in, the first post, to the daily record story, i was amused to see that the article was surrounded by several easyjet adverts 
I used to work for a flag carrier that would screen newspapers before loading them to aircraft to make sure there were no airscare stories in them, they were that concerned about passenger well being.
I wonder would the easy marketing department expect readers to finish reading an airscare story then completly switch off and say "hay..we can travel to barcelona for £39...lets book". I wonder would they be happy with the media company who sold them the advertising space if they knew?
I used to work for a flag carrier that would screen newspapers before loading them to aircraft to make sure there were no airscare stories in them, they were that concerned about passenger well being.
I wonder would the easy marketing department expect readers to finish reading an airscare story then completly switch off and say "hay..we can travel to barcelona for £39...lets book". I wonder would they be happy with the media company who sold them the advertising space if they knew?