SAA B737-700 hits catering truck (video)
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Throttle Arms. Thank you.
If the airport has designated the area as safe for vehicle parking, roadway or passenger walkway and used the line to mark that area, then it should be aircraft free at all times.
The red line is used to stop vehicles etc. encroaching into the aircraft's manoeuvring/parking area. It would therefore be fairly obvious that the area should not have had the A/C wing over hanging it.
The catering truck was correctly parked.
This takes us back to the simple fact that the A/C was parked on an unsuitable stand.
Now from an Airport Ops point of view. That would be the airport authorities responsibility.
I have every sympathy with the pilot who should not have been put in that position. It is unbelievable that this has been going on for some time. Makes it an accident that was bound to happen sometime.
Thanks to some informative posts on here I realise that discussing basic safety issues used in that neck of the woods is a bit pointless.
If the airport has designated the area as safe for vehicle parking, roadway or passenger walkway and used the line to mark that area, then it should be aircraft free at all times.
The red line is used to stop vehicles etc. encroaching into the aircraft's manoeuvring/parking area. It would therefore be fairly obvious that the area should not have had the A/C wing over hanging it.
The catering truck was correctly parked.
This takes us back to the simple fact that the A/C was parked on an unsuitable stand.
Now from an Airport Ops point of view. That would be the airport authorities responsibility.
I have every sympathy with the pilot who should not have been put in that position. It is unbelievable that this has been going on for some time. Makes it an accident that was bound to happen sometime.
Thanks to some informative posts on here I realise that discussing basic safety issues used in that neck of the woods is a bit pointless.
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Nugpot, reference has been corrected.
In this case, it also appears as thought the red paint coincides with the end of the load bearing portion of surface (although I don’t believe that was their intention with the red line). Taxi side stripe marking characteristics can be found in section 7.2.3 although it is only a recommendation.
If that airport was to be able to accommodate that aircraft, Annex 14 table 3.1 specifies that 24.5 m is required from the centre line to the edge of the apron. Without that distance, appropriate safety measures (wingwalkers, Voice NOTAM, verbal warning by ATC) should have been taken to prevent such an occurrence.
I don't really have a problem with operational flexibility. For example, many airports were designed with the 744 as the critical aircraft but now routinely host larger aircraft such as the 777's or the Antonov 124 (and eventually the A380).
With larger aircraft, the airport/airline/ANS people have to deal with these operational limitations every day.
You can spread the blame around, but no single party (PIC, airport/airline operations, marshaller...) will ever be absolved of all responsibility.
In this case, it also appears as thought the red paint coincides with the end of the load bearing portion of surface (although I don’t believe that was their intention with the red line). Taxi side stripe marking characteristics can be found in section 7.2.3 although it is only a recommendation.
If that airport was to be able to accommodate that aircraft, Annex 14 table 3.1 specifies that 24.5 m is required from the centre line to the edge of the apron. Without that distance, appropriate safety measures (wingwalkers, Voice NOTAM, verbal warning by ATC) should have been taken to prevent such an occurrence.
I don't really have a problem with operational flexibility. For example, many airports were designed with the 744 as the critical aircraft but now routinely host larger aircraft such as the 777's or the Antonov 124 (and eventually the A380).
With larger aircraft, the airport/airline/ANS people have to deal with these operational limitations every day.
You can spread the blame around, but no single party (PIC, airport/airline operations, marshaller...) will ever be absolved of all responsibility.
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If the airport has designated the area as safe for vehicle parking, roadway or passenger walkway and used the line to mark that area, then it should be aircraft free at all times. What line?
The red line is used to stop vehicles etc. encroaching into the aircraft's manoeuvring/parking area. How do they service or fuel the aircraft them?? It would therefore be fairly obvious that the area should not have had the A/C wing over hanging it. Really?
The catering truck was IN correctly parked outside a designated area.
This takes us back to the simple fact that the A/C was parked on an unsuitable stand. It was not parked it was being maneuvered by an authorised, trained and responsible person.
Now from an Airport Ops point of view. That would be the airport authorities responsibility. ??? Dunno where you're going with this.
I have every sympathy with the pilot who should not have been put in that position. Absolutely, then again if you take the money...
It is unbelievable that this has been going on for some time. Makes it an accident that was bound to happen sometime. Not bound, it increases the likelihood however.
Thanks to some informative posts on here I realise that discussing basic safety issues used in that neck of the woods is a bit pointless.
Why?? surely the whole point of this is communicating these very hazards on a wider front??
P.S. sorry forgot to ask if you have worked out what caused both air and ground handlers to get it wrong yet?? have a look at the video again and see if you can spot it..
The red line is used to stop vehicles etc. encroaching into the aircraft's manoeuvring/parking area. How do they service or fuel the aircraft them?? It would therefore be fairly obvious that the area should not have had the A/C wing over hanging it. Really?
The catering truck was IN correctly parked outside a designated area.
This takes us back to the simple fact that the A/C was parked on an unsuitable stand. It was not parked it was being maneuvered by an authorised, trained and responsible person.
Now from an Airport Ops point of view. That would be the airport authorities responsibility. ??? Dunno where you're going with this.
I have every sympathy with the pilot who should not have been put in that position. Absolutely, then again if you take the money...
It is unbelievable that this has been going on for some time. Makes it an accident that was bound to happen sometime. Not bound, it increases the likelihood however.
Thanks to some informative posts on here I realise that discussing basic safety issues used in that neck of the woods is a bit pointless.
Why?? surely the whole point of this is communicating these very hazards on a wider front??
P.S. sorry forgot to ask if you have worked out what caused both air and ground handlers to get it wrong yet?? have a look at the video again and see if you can spot it..
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lets call a spade a shovel here....the pic taxied the aircraft in day light into the truck...the truck fell over. The truck was on the port side of the aircraft. The PIC also sits on the port side and has full view of the port wing.
Incident over....tea and biscuits in some out fits other places you'll be out the door or others spending some extra time just re aquainting the starboard panoromic view for a while.
Lets all move on........
Incident over....tea and biscuits in some out fits other places you'll be out the door or others spending some extra time just re aquainting the starboard panoromic view for a while.
Lets all move on........
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Reading the thread in African Aviation (and elsewhere), I gather that the service is usually operated by A319 and that the B738 is wider. So the local folks might not have realised that.
Yes, the PIC has command but aviation is rarely just one 'thing' that can be wrapped up and put in a neat space in the filing cabinet.
This takes us back to the simple fact that the A/C was parked on an unsuitable stand.
Yes, the PIC has command but aviation is rarely just one 'thing' that can be wrapped up and put in a neat space in the filing cabinet.
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Accidents are not about who's fault it is. It's about how can we prevent it happening again. So all the peaople trying to lay blame on this forum are obviously not professional pilots but wannabe insurence assessors and you have have no place on a professional pilots website.
Who's caused this incident/accident is of no relavence in preventing the same thing happening in the future. What caused the incident/accident is what matters.
Who's caused this incident/accident is of no relavence in preventing the same thing happening in the future. What caused the incident/accident is what matters.
