Air Atlanta and other wet lease companies, how are they likely to ride the storm?
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Funny, exactly my point! All the Hadj guys are paid.
The L-10 that was "repossessed" just came in from a job done through IAL (as a favor with their guarantee) and weren't compensated for (not to mention several calls from the Feds out of SFO afterwards) . I guess one good turn deserves another.
Ooh, the Thai DGCA? You mean the DOA. They had nothing to do with the IAL a/c. That one was registered as XU-800, a Cambodian registration not Thai from the day it came from Roswell, NM. As a matter of fact all the a/c since 1999 are all Cambodian registered.
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The L-10 that was "repossessed" just came in from a job done through IAL (as a favor with their guarantee) and weren't compensated for (not to mention several calls from the Feds out of SFO afterwards) . I guess one good turn deserves another.
Ooh, the Thai DGCA? You mean the DOA. They had nothing to do with the IAL a/c. That one was registered as XU-800, a Cambodian registration not Thai from the day it came from Roswell, NM. As a matter of fact all the a/c since 1999 are all Cambodian registered.
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411a. The consensus of opinion is that you are full of it. And who am I to disagree. If you manage to take your head out of your ar## long enough to actually read what I posted in my last script you will find that I actually made clear reference to the heavy FAA presence at MZJ. What I did not do was imply that this was in ref to anything the aforementioned Airline was doing or indeed that the maintenance facility was under investigation. One can only presume that was your intention. The FAA, as I am SURE you know, are investigating "primarily" the work carried out on a certain UK registered 747 cargo aircraft, the owners of which are currently sueing the facility. All this and more has been openly discussed in many publications and is NOT news. The other complaints I am led to believe are restricted to work COMPLETED by "the facility", or should I say not completed, and not procedures used by customers.
From the amount of Jibberish you are spouting I would have to presume you are a disgruntled ex employee not only of the MZJ parent company but also the Airline mentioned. Strongly suggest you get better informed, then get a life.
Have a nice day!
From the amount of Jibberish you are spouting I would have to presume you are a disgruntled ex employee not only of the MZJ parent company but also the Airline mentioned. Strongly suggest you get better informed, then get a life.
Have a nice day!
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Algy Eh ?
What B744's ?
They have 3 B743's dry leased, and 2 B742's wetleased. The B742's belong to Iberia, but are dryleased to Atlanta, and wet leased back.
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What B744's ?
They have 3 B743's dry leased, and 2 B742's wetleased. The B742's belong to Iberia, but are dryleased to Atlanta, and wet leased back.
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Exactly my point, Whoaaa, the aircraft are all Cambodian registered because the Thai AOC was revoked. The aircraft was indeed repossessed due to non-payment of the lease ($533,000 to be exact) but not before many parts were found missing. In spite of Udom's reputation, the aircraft was flown away and sold. Have just today offered one of his former pilots a position, and this fellow mentions that he is still owed one months' salary from the 1999 Haj.
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With regards to CC going bust. I don't think it will happen. The UK charter market has way too much capacity and I expect JMC AMM BY MON & AIH to hand back some aircraft soon. Or, at least move some to Germany or wherever.
So, my theory.
We have already seen the return of bookings to the Charter Market ( Not much but it's there.) The predicted all out war looks unlikely to happen, more likely to be little pockets of action. By next summer (and 1 or 2 after that) everyone will be looking for extra Short Term peak capacity. Where are they going to turn "CC" of course.
That my prediction anyway
So, my theory.
We have already seen the return of bookings to the Charter Market ( Not much but it's there.) The predicted all out war looks unlikely to happen, more likely to be little pockets of action. By next summer (and 1 or 2 after that) everyone will be looking for extra Short Term peak capacity. Where are they going to turn "CC" of course.
That my prediction anyway
AAi has still the contract with iberia and looks they are gonna keep it.They have three B747-300 on dry lease contract and two B-747 200 on wet lease ,one of those from ib. 
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Hmmm...411A, I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you but it is obvious that you are misinformed(this is not a wind up). As far as the Hadj 99 goes, all the pilots that flew with us then are either presently employed here, retired, dead or with the majors back in the states. What I mean is non are currently unemployed and therefore need to seek a position from you. I can list down those who have flown with us in 99 but that would violate their privacy. All I can tell you that I was there and still here.
As far as the AOC is concerned is more political than anything else. For example, Orient is the only airline in Thailand which does not employ any Thai pilots. Yes, it pisses some people off but that's another story.
Then again I shouldn't expect much, this is a "Rumour" network after all.
As far as the AOC is concerned is more political than anything else. For example, Orient is the only airline in Thailand which does not employ any Thai pilots. Yes, it pisses some people off but that's another story.
Then again I shouldn't expect much, this is a "Rumour" network after all.
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Heard a rumour yesterday that the two ex Cathay 747's are finishing Iberia contract at the end of October. Can anyone in Madrid or Gatwick confirm ?
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Thats what I "heard".
I also understand that only one is Ex Cathay the other is ex IB dry leased then wet leased back....Or something like that.
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I also understand that only one is Ex Cathay the other is ex IB dry leased then wet leased back....Or something like that.
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But we keep our fingers crossed for buisness to pick up.
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i've seen AAI' 742 TF-ATB this summer. she was flying with football fans and then just been parked for 3 days, awaiting for back trip (short hop inside Europe)... so utilization was next to nothing and i really doubt football fans were paying mega money to compensate non-utilization..
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Anyway, all the "rude" comments aside. I'm certain AAI will survive! Arngrimmur's not "completely" out of the picture. The basic tenents of the company are still very much in place, and SOUND, I must add! I wish all remaining well.....Carry on guys! Even though I'm with a "name carrier" now, I still watch with interest. Many good memories!!! Give 'em hell, Alan!!!! 
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The Air Atlanta people are great as far as I am concerned. I was in Jeddah in Feb. of 2000 changing an engine on a Catalina I was ferrying from J-Berg to London. They were kind enough to slip the P&W 1830 onto one of their 747's they were flying the Haj with. Saved me a small fortune and no one in Jeddah can figure out how I got that engine to just disappear one night, right off the ramp.Sure enough that engine showed up in London right where I wanted it.
Great people.
The toughest thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
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Great people.
The toughest thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
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411a, you are the most obnoxious, doom gloomer pratt on this site. You obviously have a problem with all of aviation. Why don't you go and jump off a cliff and do us a favour!!! AAI is a damn good company, and thankfully has no pratts like you working for them.
Regarding AAI, they are one of the most flexible companies in aviation at the moment, and if anyone will get through they will
Regarding AAI, they are one of the most flexible companies in aviation at the moment, and if anyone will get through they will
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Well then ShakeRattle etc, how would you know how "good" it is working for AAI? Been there before or now?
Have to admit they do have "some" bright folks, but most of these are overshadowed by the pratts....(you perhaps..?)
Expect AAI to park ALL of their 747's shortly...or just after the Haj.
Have to admit they do have "some" bright folks, but most of these are overshadowed by the pratts....(you perhaps..?)
Expect AAI to park ALL of their 747's shortly...or just after the Haj.