Brand new Etihad A340-600 damaged in Toulouse; several wounded
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From: France
Between -5 and -1 here every morning for a quite few days but generally very dry. Even if there was moisture it would have gone by 17:00 from that location. For what's it's worth the estimates posted for the location of the aircraft are accurate.
Some of the folks where I work suggested that the plane should have been moved overnight as it was bad PR to leave it where it was; when I asked where they would get a crane that big in the middle of the night they simply pointed to the nearby TLS terminal building site
Yes, some were blonde 
As you can imagine we didn't get into the discussion of emptying the plane of fuel and the need for an accident investigation 
Some of the folks where I work suggested that the plane should have been moved overnight as it was bad PR to leave it where it was; when I asked where they would get a crane that big in the middle of the night they simply pointed to the nearby TLS terminal building site
Yes, some were blonde As you can imagine we didn't get into the discussion of emptying the plane of fuel and the need for an accident investigation
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From: Walton on the Naze Essex.
I would have expected collapse there and concertina-ing rather than 'up-and-over'.
Interesting that, I suppose it didn't have a load of aft ballast for some reason.
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From: France
I would have expected collapse there and concertina-ing rather than 'up-and-over'.
With a sudden nasty drop once the nosewheel went over the edge, chopping off the cockpit.
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Well, I have been 'thinking' about it and "the nosewheel would just have run up the deflector" I'm having difficulty with!
I suppose with a real stack of power and some knots plus an aft c of g the n/wheel could have collapsed on impact and the whole thing just slid up the slope. Amazing.
I suppose with a real stack of power and some knots plus an aft c of g the n/wheel could have collapsed on impact and the whole thing just slid up the slope. Amazing.
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From: France
BOAC,
We're guessing anyway....
If it arrived at the barrier at an angle, as the pictures seem to indicate, the "effective slope" would have been considerably less, so maybe the nosewheel didn't come off.
But until we get some more info, your suggestion certainly has equal merit!
We're guessing anyway....
If it arrived at the barrier at an angle, as the pictures seem to indicate, the "effective slope" would have been considerably less, so maybe the nosewheel didn't come off.
But until we get some more info, your suggestion certainly has equal merit!
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From: 58-33N. 00-18W. Peterborough UK
The sudden drop off and chop seems quite expected once it got up there!
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From: sussex,england
PAX 2908 ; Quote: Out of curiosity ... not that it is relevant in this case. Are there some special requirements for the CG position for this type of test?
Not really for engine runs only just adequate fuel on board. Weight and balance would be consired for high speed taxi tests only where the a/c could lift off.................
Not really for engine runs only just adequate fuel on board. Weight and balance would be consired for high speed taxi tests only where the a/c could lift off.................
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From: Hotazel
To the AIRBUS designers......why did the front part broke so fiercely????
For such a long plane, it should be strong enough to hold.... Will it break or crumble like that in a very hard landing as well??
RE
For such a long plane, it should be strong enough to hold.... Will it break or crumble like that in a very hard landing as well??RE
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From: Marion, South Australia
Because it would not have just "pushed up" over the ledge - it would have leapt up into the air over the ledge and then "crashed down"
Get a tube and hit it on the edge of a desk or bench - you'll see the tube buckle at the impact point!
Mike
Get a tube and hit it on the edge of a desk or bench - you'll see the tube buckle at the impact point!
Mike
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From: 58-33N. 00-18W. Peterborough UK
fantom.
Having considered the wisdom in this remark I have to assume that you were part of the run-up pan design team.
Perhaps this was your train of thought ……..
When in the run-up pan;
1. No aircraft will ever ever ‘jump-chocks’ or suffer engine/computer run-aways. However, if 1 is wrong;
2. No runaway aircraft will ever ever climb the sloping wall. However, if 1 and 2 are wrong;
3. No runaway aircraft will ever ever climb the wall and then break its back on the totally unnecessary knife edged (steel reinforced, Thank you, Been Accounting) concrete additional blast deflectors. However, if 1, 2 and 3 are wrong;
4. No runaway aircraft will ever ever break its back due mainly to the totally unnecessary knife edged steel reinforced concrete additional blast deflectors and so cause serious injury to the occupants.
Was this how it went? Is this what you signed off?
Best wishes back.
Forget, I hope you don't have a job with anything involving aircraft. That would worry me. Best wishes.
Perhaps this was your train of thought ……..
When in the run-up pan;
1. No aircraft will ever ever ‘jump-chocks’ or suffer engine/computer run-aways. However, if 1 is wrong;
2. No runaway aircraft will ever ever climb the sloping wall. However, if 1 and 2 are wrong;
3. No runaway aircraft will ever ever climb the wall and then break its back on the totally unnecessary knife edged (steel reinforced, Thank you, Been Accounting) concrete additional blast deflectors. However, if 1, 2 and 3 are wrong;
4. No runaway aircraft will ever ever break its back due mainly to the totally unnecessary knife edged steel reinforced concrete additional blast deflectors and so cause serious injury to the occupants.
Was this how it went? Is this what you signed off?
Best wishes back.
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From: Sun, water, and lots of sand
Engine cut off ???
Any idea how one shuts off the engines when the cockpit has been seperated from the fuselage? Cockpit has no control.
Just wondering if the engines were still running after the aircraft had climbed the wall.
Had a call today from someone today saying he heard it took a while for the engines to be stopped, and then again I wasn't sure if they just pumped water into them, to stop them.
Anyone know???
Just wondering if the engines were still running after the aircraft had climbed the wall.
Had a call today from someone today saying he heard it took a while for the engines to be stopped, and then again I wasn't sure if they just pumped water into them, to stop them.
Anyone know???
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From: Gweriniaeth Cymru
You would need much more water than you average fire truck can pump to stop those engines - they are huge.....?
Oshkosh 4500 (4,500 gall capacity) airport firetender can deliver water at 4,500 l/min. Should be enough me thinks.
Trent 500 fan diameter about 1.6m, thrust 56,000lbs. GE90-115B 115,300lbs, 3.5m
JFGI - just flippin' google it.....