Nearmiss at Dallas, or News Hype?
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Nearmiss at Dallas, or News Hype?
Dateline May 14, from MSNBC News, any clarification from UPS or AA crew?:
"IT’S SATURDAY night at one of the nation’s busiest airports, Dallas-Ft. Worth. A small cargo plane is given permission to taxi from a United Parcel Service hangar, across two runways, to what’s called the “General Aviation” airplane parking area. Meanwhile, American flight 2394, with 60 passengers aboard, is waiting to take off for Chicago.
As the cargo plane crosses, clearing the second runway, controllers give the American plane the go-ahead to take off, and it rolls.
But, in the dark, the cargo plane makes a wrong turn and mistakenly taxies back onto the active, take-off runway, directly in the path of the speeding American plane. The American pilot sees disaster looming, seconds away, out his front window. He swerves his plane to the right, lifts the nose up, long before the plane has reached the speed normally required for take-off, and struggles to get airborne — his only chance at missing the cargo plane.
It works, and the American plane climbs out, missing the cargo plane by what the pilot later tells his airline was only ten to twenty feet.
Ten to twenty feet is an incredibly slim margin for a plane with a wingspan of almost 100 feet, hurtling down the runway at more than 100 miles an hour. In fact, it was so close that, at first, the American pilot feared he had actually clipped the cargo plane.
Finally in the air, but worried about damage to his own plane, the American pilot radios back. After some moments, assured the two plane have missed, he radios again, “We’re quite shaken, but we’re going to continue to Chicago.”
"IT’S SATURDAY night at one of the nation’s busiest airports, Dallas-Ft. Worth. A small cargo plane is given permission to taxi from a United Parcel Service hangar, across two runways, to what’s called the “General Aviation” airplane parking area. Meanwhile, American flight 2394, with 60 passengers aboard, is waiting to take off for Chicago.
As the cargo plane crosses, clearing the second runway, controllers give the American plane the go-ahead to take off, and it rolls.
But, in the dark, the cargo plane makes a wrong turn and mistakenly taxies back onto the active, take-off runway, directly in the path of the speeding American plane. The American pilot sees disaster looming, seconds away, out his front window. He swerves his plane to the right, lifts the nose up, long before the plane has reached the speed normally required for take-off, and struggles to get airborne — his only chance at missing the cargo plane.
It works, and the American plane climbs out, missing the cargo plane by what the pilot later tells his airline was only ten to twenty feet.
Ten to twenty feet is an incredibly slim margin for a plane with a wingspan of almost 100 feet, hurtling down the runway at more than 100 miles an hour. In fact, it was so close that, at first, the American pilot feared he had actually clipped the cargo plane.
Finally in the air, but worried about damage to his own plane, the American pilot radios back. After some moments, assured the two plane have missed, he radios again, “We’re quite shaken, but we’re going to continue to Chicago.”
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"Small cargo aircraft" was operated by Ameriflight, a contractor for UPS. It apparently was repositioning to be fueled. Reports differ on closeness - FAA says 100 feet - NTSB says 10-20 feet. Either way, it was close. If it was an MD or larger,or a heavily loaded F-100, it probably would not have reached Vmu. (Ok, flight test guys - is this a reasonable use of the term Vmu?)
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From CNN:
DALLAS, Texas (CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration has launched an investigation after an American Airlines jet narrowly missed slamming into a cargo plane that had entered the same runway. It was so close, the American pilot swerved and immediately pulled up to avoid a crash, officials said.
FAA officials said it appeared the cargo
pilot was to blame, but that the investigation was continuing into the late Friday incident at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport.
By one account, the planes came within about 10 feet of each other. "According to the American pilot, it was within 10 feet," said Mike Mulder, president of the local controllers union.
No one was injured in the near-collision. The American plane, a Fokker 100, which seats about 90 people, went on to Chicago's Midway Airport, where it arrived safely.
Mulder said the American pilot "veered to the
right side of the runway" when his lights
illuminated the cargo plane and then "pulled up his aircraft" before he reached his intended takeoff speed.
FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the incident is being called a "pilot deviation," but the investigation is ongoing.
One source familiar with the incident said the cargo plane was instructed by controllers to cross two runways and turn onto a taxiway. The pilot followed those instructions, but turned onto the wrong taxiway that led to the runway where the near-collision.
Mulder said the cargo plane, a twin-engine turbo-prop, went about 700-800 feet down the runway; at the same time, controllers cleared the American plane for takeoff.
FAA spokesman John Clabes, who is with the FAA's southwest regional office, said the cargo pilot "didn't obey instructions and apparently got lost." He said the American pilot "swerved and pulled up" to avoid the cargo plane.
DALLAS, Texas (CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration has launched an investigation after an American Airlines jet narrowly missed slamming into a cargo plane that had entered the same runway. It was so close, the American pilot swerved and immediately pulled up to avoid a crash, officials said.
FAA officials said it appeared the cargo
pilot was to blame, but that the investigation was continuing into the late Friday incident at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport.
By one account, the planes came within about 10 feet of each other. "According to the American pilot, it was within 10 feet," said Mike Mulder, president of the local controllers union.
No one was injured in the near-collision. The American plane, a Fokker 100, which seats about 90 people, went on to Chicago's Midway Airport, where it arrived safely.
Mulder said the American pilot "veered to the
right side of the runway" when his lights
illuminated the cargo plane and then "pulled up his aircraft" before he reached his intended takeoff speed.
FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the incident is being called a "pilot deviation," but the investigation is ongoing.
One source familiar with the incident said the cargo plane was instructed by controllers to cross two runways and turn onto a taxiway. The pilot followed those instructions, but turned onto the wrong taxiway that led to the runway where the near-collision.
Mulder said the cargo plane, a twin-engine turbo-prop, went about 700-800 feet down the runway; at the same time, controllers cleared the American plane for takeoff.
FAA spokesman John Clabes, who is with the FAA's southwest regional office, said the cargo pilot "didn't obey instructions and apparently got lost." He said the American pilot "swerved and pulled up" to avoid the cargo plane.
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Agreed - - a HUGE well done to the AA flight crew. Put yourself in their position: accelerating normally on takeoff roll, and all of a sudden you see see another aircraft stray into your path -- you're much too fast to stop the aircraft before impact, yet still below Vr. Logical thinking, quick action, and yes, even a bit of luck too (sizes of aircraft, load/weight of F100, etc.), resulted in the avoidance of a tragic event.
"Shaken" is probably an understatement.
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"Shaken" is probably an understatement.
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Not a nice event, but there is a precedent. Info from the NTSB.
Gulp !!!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">
NTSB Identification: DCA99SA054B. The docket is stored in the (offline) NTSB Imaging System.
Scheduled 14 CFRPart 129 operation of Foreign KOREAN AIR
Incident occurred Thursday, April 01, 1999 at CHICAGO, IL
Aircraft:Boeing 747-400, registration: HL749
Injuries: 387 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On April 1, 1999, at 0220 central standard time, a Boeing 747, B2446, operated as cargo flight #9018 by Air China and a Boeing 747, HL7493, operated by Korean Air as passenger flight #036, were involved in a near collision on runway 14R at the O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois. There were no injures to the occupants of either airplane, nor was there any damage to either airplane. There was a crew of 8 on board the Air China flight, and a crew of 22 plus 357 passengers on board the Korean Air flight. The Air China 747 had departed Kennedy Airport, New York, and had landed at O'Hare just prior to the incident. The Korean Air 747 was departing O'Hare en route to Seoul, Korea.
Air China landed on runway 14R and was cleared to turn off the runway via a right turn on taxiway Tango 10, a left turn on taxiway Kilo, and to cross runway 27L to the cargo ramp. The controller cleared the Korean Air flight for takeoff as the Air China flight was clearing the runway. The Air China flight made the right turn onto Tango 10 then made a left turn onto taxiway Mike instead of Kilo. The Air China flight entered onto runway 14R as the Korean Air flight was taking off. The Korean Air flight crossed 25 to 50 feet over the top of the Air China flight.</font>
NTSB Identification: DCA99SA054B. The docket is stored in the (offline) NTSB Imaging System.
Scheduled 14 CFRPart 129 operation of Foreign KOREAN AIR
Incident occurred Thursday, April 01, 1999 at CHICAGO, IL
Aircraft:Boeing 747-400, registration: HL749
Injuries: 387 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On April 1, 1999, at 0220 central standard time, a Boeing 747, B2446, operated as cargo flight #9018 by Air China and a Boeing 747, HL7493, operated by Korean Air as passenger flight #036, were involved in a near collision on runway 14R at the O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois. There were no injures to the occupants of either airplane, nor was there any damage to either airplane. There was a crew of 8 on board the Air China flight, and a crew of 22 plus 357 passengers on board the Korean Air flight. The Air China 747 had departed Kennedy Airport, New York, and had landed at O'Hare just prior to the incident. The Korean Air 747 was departing O'Hare en route to Seoul, Korea.
Air China landed on runway 14R and was cleared to turn off the runway via a right turn on taxiway Tango 10, a left turn on taxiway Kilo, and to cross runway 27L to the cargo ramp. The controller cleared the Korean Air flight for takeoff as the Air China flight was clearing the runway. The Air China flight made the right turn onto Tango 10 then made a left turn onto taxiway Mike instead of Kilo. The Air China flight entered onto runway 14R as the Korean Air flight was taking off. The Korean Air flight crossed 25 to 50 feet over the top of the Air China flight.</font>
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GO to this site and watch it for yourself. Very scary. Listen to the PVD controller as well if you dare.
http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2000/incu...ur%5Fvideo.htm
http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2000/incu...ur%5Fvideo.htm
