Thompson Engine Failure in ALC 23/10
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Thompson Engine Failure in ALC 23/10
We departed just before TOM022M tonight out of Alicante and on handover after T/O heard the PAN PAN call from the Thompson 757 due Engine Failure. They held for a while before going proceeding to the ALT for the ILS Y.
Assume everyone one ok, things appeared under control - any ideas of what happened?
Assume everyone one ok, things appeared under control - any ideas of what happened?
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It was G-BYAH. 230 pax plus 8 crew. Eng #2 on fire and according to a ground engy "destroyed as never seen before". Looks like some engine part was ingested. Small report and low quality engine pics by a ground agent here:
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good flying !
Looks like another professional job by the crew, well done guys!
As to the engine the photos don't show enough detail to be sure if what happend but it seems to show damage in the jetpipe.
As to the engine the photos don't show enough detail to be sure if what happend but it seems to show damage in the jetpipe.
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The Pictures look interesting indeed.
One question though - and I know the usual debate -
Engine on Fire - certain vibration? why only a Pan call not Mayday? You could atleast downgrade it if wanted later on...?
Not raining on anyones parade - they got back safe - good job, just wondering though.
One question though - and I know the usual debate -
Engine on Fire - certain vibration? why only a Pan call not Mayday? You could atleast downgrade it if wanted later on...?
Not raining on anyones parade - they got back safe - good job, just wondering though.
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I guess it depends when they called ATC. Assuming Aviate, Navigate then Communicate perhaps there was no vibration or fire warning when they made the call. Only a thought.
Not sure about the use of Pan Pan in spain. It's possible that the tower saw the fire so they appreciated the urgency of the situation.
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I guess it depends when they called ATC. Assuming Aviate, Navigate then Communicate perhaps there was no vibration or fire warning when they made the call. Only a thought.
Not sure about the use of Pan Pan in spain. It's possible that the tower saw the fire so they appreciated the urgency of the situation.
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They called on the departure freq passing 2200'. with the Pan call. Correct, they may have had transmissions with the tower before handover, we didnt hear that part, since we departed just before them.
Avt-Ngt-Comm, sure, but I'd still want to be THE most important thing flying in that area at that time. Would be interesting to see at what stage the incident actually happened...
Good job we taxied first 'capin
Avt-Ngt-Comm, sure, but I'd still want to be THE most important thing flying in that area at that time. Would be interesting to see at what stage the incident actually happened...
Good job we taxied first 'capin
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After landing the chaps asked the tower that they would like the fire services to inspect the tyres, brakes and engine whilst they held clear of the runway. At this point the fire engines were still in the fire station and probably took 5 min to get to the aircraft. When they did arrive the Capt asked if there was a frequency he could use to talk to the fire services. There was a frequency but tower advised the crew to talk through him as the fire services could only speak Spanish. Later the tower apologised for not having the fire services out earlier as they had not declared an emergency although they had put out a pan call earlier.
As you said Blue Up, a Pan call would only seem to work in the Uk. If you want to be sure of the fire services put out a Mayday.
After landing the chaps asked the tower that they would like the fire services to inspect the tyres, brakes and engine whilst they held clear of the runway. At this point the fire engines were still in the fire station and probably took 5 min to get to the aircraft. When they did arrive the Capt asked if there was a frequency he could use to talk to the fire services. There was a frequency but tower advised the crew to talk through him as the fire services could only speak Spanish. Later the tower apologised for not having the fire services out earlier as they had not declared an emergency although they had put out a pan call earlier.
As you said Blue Up, a Pan call would only seem to work in the Uk. If you want to be sure of the fire services put out a Mayday.
Despegue. Do you have a reference for Pan-pan being used everywhere in EASA? Also, I've never heard of "securite' " as a call. Can you tell me more?
I don't think there was any mention in the CAP413 published by the UK CAA, but I may be wrong. Any help would be useful since I am giving some training on a related subject this week.
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I don't think there was any mention in the CAP413 published by the UK CAA, but I may be wrong. Any help would be useful since I am giving some training on a related subject this week.
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Securite call used to be a yachtie vhf call in french waters if you were a hazard to navigation e.g adrift. I also did not know it had migrated to aviation, untill I heard it on 121.5 about 2 weeks ago whilst overflying france.
When I did my ATC course way back in 197longtimeago, I was taught that the "securite" call could be made by anyone wishing to do a general broadcast for something afffecting the safety of flight, such as CAT etc etc.
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"Securite, Securite" is used as the prefix to broadcasts by both london and Scottish centres on Guard when notifying aircrew of a TDA etc.
As for "Pan-Pan" I've heard it used a couple of times round Europe recently.
Back to the thread.........looks like a job well done by the crew once again.
As for "Pan-Pan" I've heard it used a couple of times round Europe recently.
Back to the thread.........looks like a job well done by the crew once again.
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I can't help wondering whether the engine damage could have been caused by FOD which has been a feature of the ramp at Alicante for at least 25 years. I, and many others, have brought bagfulls home over the years and sent them off to our Flight Safety department. Not a great deal was ever achieved. The areas around the hold doors always seemed to have broken bits from suitcases, some solid and robust like padlocks. We shall just have to wait and see what is found when they strip down what is left of the engine.