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Old 17th Oct 2007, 16:00
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Or is that sensationalist clap trap too??
Think you answered your own question there.
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 16:54
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By the way, this has been broadcast on EGLL ATIS and data link ATIS
"PILOTS ARE TO EXERCISE CAUTION WHEN MANOEUVRING IN THE RWY HOLDING AREA AS WING TIP CLEARANCE IS NOT ASSURED"

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Old 17th Oct 2007, 17:40
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That message has been on the ATIS for a year or two now and refers to the holding areas NOT the taxiways.
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 18:43
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Without wishing to comment on the incident in the thread I will note a few points.

That message has been on the ATIS for a year or two now and refers to the holding areas NOT the taxiways.
This has been on the atis for more than a year or two. I have been at LHR since the late 90s and it always has been on the ATIS. Also the runway holding area does include the location of the incident to which this thread refers.

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Old 17th Oct 2007, 19:20
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I think its time for a couple of wing walkers to hang out there. I can't see my wings, so how the hell do I know I have clearance in one of these "special" areas?
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 19:32
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I cannot recollect when it the message was added to the ATIS (I have been operating from LHR for 20 years) which is why I wasn't specific. The poster gave the impression that it had been added since the incident.

I always assumed it referred to the holding areas i.e. the large wide holding areas where aircraft can hold alongside each other. I was unaware it applied to taxiways.

Thanks for your information. Would you mind detailing the areas it does apply to.
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 20:24
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My apologogy for giving the wrong impression on the message. It is true that the precaution message has been on EGLL ATIS for a while.
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 21:41
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Would you mind detailing the areas it does apply to.
I would suspect it refers to runway holding areas as detailed on the AIP maps (we use BAA produced ones which are colour and of slightly differing detail level) but there is a thin black outline around the runway holding area. For example on the 27L holding area it would be LOKKI, MORRA, ETTIV onwards (to the north of the runway) and east of V (however this is a slightly grey area as there are stands on link 41).

In fact looking at an AIP map there is no outline here. (however interstingly the 27L holding area does have a note saying Avoidance of other aircraft in the holding area is the responsibility of the flightcrew involved. I would take the "holding areas" as those points beyond which GMC do usually not clear you (i.e. the 5 letter designators).
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Old 17th Oct 2007, 22:30
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Yes, I believe 'runway holding area' is anything past ETTIV, MORRA, LOKKI etc for 27L, or SATUN, TITAN, PLUTO and AY1 for 27R
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 01:14
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More fuss on here than a fox in a henhouse.
BA just checked the wing, undid the remaining bits of the winglet and flew the jet the next day.
But on PPRuNe,we pontificate for several pages
As Rainboe says, why discuss it to death?
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 03:36
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the sri lankan plane is back online. it flew back to male with passengers.
the relief pilot was sent back too. the operating crewe stayed back for the investigation.
the only way to see your wingtip is if you fix a video camera. but its ridiculous.


ACMS- sorry. us over here didnt know it was the wing. we thought it was winglet to winglet.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 06:10
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Cool

Just seen this as being doing sensible stuff. i.e. sailing for a while.
Viewing the pictures of the damage gave me cause for thought. Took me back to a time as a trainer in the RHS of a 747-2/300 doing command training with a Canuck. Airbus very new on tthe scene in our part of the world. Opened my mouth to draw his attention to something whilst taxiing, interrupted by "Yes I've seen the (Parked) Airbus isn't fully on it's bay, I'm easing out to miss it.............But it's only F.... plastic anyway!"! Liked his attention and style, the man has deservedly gone far.

Yet again on the evidence, F88 was wrong, the Frogs must use better plastic than Boeing, although the wings I believe are made in the UK at Woodford, winglets ??

Bugger--wrong again, what's new in aviation?

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Old 18th Oct 2007, 20:06
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The last three times this has happened at LHR it was a A340-300 butterknifing other aircraft wings.

Sri Lankan 27R RHA
Turkish 27L RHA
Air Jamaica 27L RHA

And, they all hit Boeing aircraft!!!!

Is this some sort of secret Airbus ploy
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 21:39
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Never heard of Annasofie before, or seen her TV performance, but her reports are getting chopped to fit the particular paper's taste:
International Herald Tribune:
2 planes in minor collision on runway at Heathrow Airport, no injuries
…The Sky News television, citing a witness, said the collision caused chaos among panicked passengers. Flamand said the mood among passengers aboard the Sri Lankan flight was calm.
"People didn't really notice it because of the noise of the engine," she said….
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 23:01
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Please can we let this sorry tale die now? Nothing to see here, folks. Move along please!
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part of a wing and fueltank causing a hole which was actually 1000 times smaller than the bit that broke off the Heathrow 747.
Actually it was "one thousandth of the size". 1000 times smaller would give it a large negative volume.
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?? negative volume ?? Are holes anti-matter or some such thing in your book, etrang ??
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No, holes are just holes.
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Old 29th Oct 2007, 17:33
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Whats happened to the crew? anyone know? cant be bothered reading the whole thread.. most of which is arguments OR will there be some AAIB report into it?
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 01:40
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Please can we let this sorry tale die now? Nothing to see here, folks. Move along please!

Apparently not...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...a_source=&ct=5


Passengers revolt after being told to fly on jet with its wing tip missing
By DANIEL BOFFEY - More by this author »

Last updated at 21:43pm on 3rd November 2007

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An airline crew faced a rebellion when they told passengers they were going to fly on a jet that had lost its wing tip in a runway crash.

The SriLankan Airlines customers had been on the Airbus A340 a day earlier when it sliced through a wing of a stationary British Airways 747 at Heathrow, delaying departure by 24 hours.

So they were amazed to be boarding the same plane next day for the ten-hour flight to Colombo.

When cabin crew then admitted there was still a 5ft wing tip missing, there was "a minor revolt" as seven passengers demanded to be let off the aircraft.

A further two-hour delay followed as their baggage was removed before the aircraft could take off.

Club-class passenger Ian McKie, 54, from Loughton, Essex, said: "We were put up in hotels the night of the crash and next morning we were told we would be on a different plane that day.

"We only realised that we were actually going on the same aircraft when we got to the Club lounge and saw the plane but without its wing tip."

The former policeman, who was jetting off for a two-week holiday with his partner Gill Stone, 52, added: "On board, the cabin crew admitted that it was the same one as last time and that the tip had been ripped off.

"They assured us it didn't matter but a number of the passengers insisted that they would rather get on the next flight."

The collision happened shortly after 10pm two weeks ago when the BA011 flight to Singapore was waiting on a runway, followed by the SriLankan Airbus.

The SriLankan aircraft wing ripped through the BA flight's wing, tearing off a huge chunk and resulting in the BA jumbo being grounded.

SriLankan Airlines insisted there was no danger in flying without a wing tip.

It added: "They are purely for aerodynamics and to keep fuel costs to a minimum. There is no impact on safety at all. Safety is our absolute priority."
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