SriLankan/BA bent metal at LHR?
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Hello Odd One Hows things
How things change !! and are still changing.
Regarding last nights prang and dont blame me because ! was not the man on duty !!
Sri Lankan was routeing Link 23 to Link 22 on cleared Green Route when it brushed the wingtip of the BA which was stationary but over sitting over the Red TB on Link 23 due to an aircraft ahead of him !!! which obviously means there was not enough wingtip clearance for the A340 to pass and route into Link 22. Should he have been given the green route ????
Intially the AAIB declned attendance and stated the aircraft could be moved as long as pics and relevent aircraft postions wee marked. The AAIB actually later turned up and removed the tapes etc.
It was BA higher management the stated the pax remain on board until interviewed by the police !!! A Bit OTT if you ask me.
There was delay regarding the UL pax because there was no suitable KLM ( Handler) staff on duty to arrange steps etc or even tow the aircraft back to T4. This is an ongoing issue at LHR ( 24hr international airport but the handlers all go home at 11pm) This was also the case with BA who stated there was only one tow crew available.
Oh the joys of LHR !!
Both aircraft wee actually towed back to T4 at 04:30am
How things change !! and are still changing.
Regarding last nights prang and dont blame me because ! was not the man on duty !!
Sri Lankan was routeing Link 23 to Link 22 on cleared Green Route when it brushed the wingtip of the BA which was stationary but over sitting over the Red TB on Link 23 due to an aircraft ahead of him !!! which obviously means there was not enough wingtip clearance for the A340 to pass and route into Link 22. Should he have been given the green route ????
Intially the AAIB declned attendance and stated the aircraft could be moved as long as pics and relevent aircraft postions wee marked. The AAIB actually later turned up and removed the tapes etc.
It was BA higher management the stated the pax remain on board until interviewed by the police !!! A Bit OTT if you ask me.
There was delay regarding the UL pax because there was no suitable KLM ( Handler) staff on duty to arrange steps etc or even tow the aircraft back to T4. This is an ongoing issue at LHR ( 24hr international airport but the handlers all go home at 11pm) This was also the case with BA who stated there was only one tow crew available.
Oh the joys of LHR !!
Both aircraft wee actually towed back to T4 at 04:30am
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Not sure if I’m being a bit slow here, but I’m wondering how widespread is the apparent misunderstanding about what a runway is. Presumably everyone on PPRuNe knows the word ‘runway’ describes only the place where aircraft take off and land. But do most people outside aviation think that any surface an aircraft travels on is ‘runway’, or is this just journalistic sloppiness?
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The Odd One:-
Your earlier posting would suggest that you do not appreciate the purpose and logic of the MEL. I expect if you search on PPRuNe, you will find further information.
By the way, this is an 'accident' and not an 'incident', which is probably the reason for the involvement of the Airport Police and their requirement to obtain witness reports.
Your earlier posting would suggest that you do not appreciate the purpose and logic of the MEL. I expect if you search on PPRuNe, you will find further information.
By the way, this is an 'accident' and not an 'incident', which is probably the reason for the involvement of the Airport Police and their requirement to obtain witness reports.
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"Pilots should exercise caution in the runway holding areas as wing tip clearance is not assured"
Why do we put up with this.... you can't see your wing tips on many aircraft. In this world of a** covering, risk assessments etc may be it's time for us to say, "OK, I won't push back and taxi until it is"
Why do we put up with this.... you can't see your wing tips on many aircraft. In this world of a** covering, risk assessments etc may be it's time for us to say, "OK, I won't push back and taxi until it is"
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They'd better fit new onboard cameras looking at those wingtips on the A380 (they have quite a few already installed, tail fin, undercarriage front and back, under the wing left and right front and back ...)
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Semantics
Skiesfull said:
By the way, this is an 'accident' and not an 'incident', which is probably the reason for the involvement of the Airport Police and their requirement to obtain witness reports.
Interesting point. Actually, the Police have an instruction from the Home Office not to use the word 'accident', happenings are 'crashes' as in Road Traffic Crash (RTC) instead of Road Traffic Accident (RTA) in HO-speak.
Actually, I prefer the use of the word accident, as defined here:
accident, an unexpected event which causes damage or harm.
BTW, yes, I am familiar with MELs, but I would hesitate to use the word logic in the same sentence, as other threads also seem to indicate. One of our aircraft MEL states that the landing light being u/s is a 'go' item for flight at night. Go figure!
Apologies for thread-creep.
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By the way, this is an 'accident' and not an 'incident', which is probably the reason for the involvement of the Airport Police and their requirement to obtain witness reports.
Interesting point. Actually, the Police have an instruction from the Home Office not to use the word 'accident', happenings are 'crashes' as in Road Traffic Crash (RTC) instead of Road Traffic Accident (RTA) in HO-speak.
Actually, I prefer the use of the word accident, as defined here:
accident, an unexpected event which causes damage or harm.
BTW, yes, I am familiar with MELs, but I would hesitate to use the word logic in the same sentence, as other threads also seem to indicate. One of our aircraft MEL states that the landing light being u/s is a 'go' item for flight at night. Go figure!
Apologies for thread-creep.
TOO
Westinghouse: The BA Winglet was sliced through by the leading edge of the Airbus wing, it looks to be just inside the tip. ( maybe 1 foot )
One would hope that the leading edge of the Airbus wing, being made of Aluminum, would be a little stronger than the Composite Boeing Winglet!!
The Airbus Winglet was not involved, it rode over the top of the BA wing.
Look at the photo again and you can see bent metal at the front of the Airbus wing.
One would hope that the leading edge of the Airbus wing, being made of Aluminum, would be a little stronger than the Composite Boeing Winglet!!
The Airbus Winglet was not involved, it rode over the top of the BA wing.
Look at the photo again and you can see bent metal at the front of the Airbus wing.
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Stateside, Fox News is making this out to be something akin to Tenerife '77, with engines littering the runways, dozens of fire engines on scene and pandemonium ensuing. And you thought you had it bad with Sky News!
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Right! What a load of old crap is appearing here in the news AND in the states
An unfortunate accident and it mainly impacts on the pax who had to nightstop.
The BA011 was stationary with park brake set and the AirLanka was given permission to pass. It will be investigated fully as to exactly what happened. There was a coming together of wingtip leading edge of the A340 and the winglet of the 744. The 744 had (what was left of) its lefthand winglet removed IAW the MEL CDL and is now on its way to YVR.
End of!
An unfortunate accident and it mainly impacts on the pax who had to nightstop.
The BA011 was stationary with park brake set and the AirLanka was given permission to pass. It will be investigated fully as to exactly what happened. There was a coming together of wingtip leading edge of the A340 and the winglet of the 744. The 744 had (what was left of) its lefthand winglet removed IAW the MEL CDL and is now on its way to YVR.
End of!
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At around 17:15 [UK] BBC 24 Hr News reporter says [in part] "Airline pilots are mindful of worst loss of life in Tenerife . That is an illustration why the question of ground safety at Heathrow needs to be addressed."
Words fail me.
BBC Breaking News ticker tape still talks about collision on Runway at Heathrow.
Words fail me.
BBC Breaking News ticker tape still talks about collision on Runway at Heathrow.
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Gaspath, you surely have not seen the video of Annasofie Flamand describing the knife through butter ... personally I am waiting for the newsreel to complete a cycle so I can see her look in the camera and hear her say it again
http://itn.co.uk/news/462e98dc716e28...911d4eb78.html ... sorry, couldn't wait
http://itn.co.uk/news/462e98dc716e28...911d4eb78.html ... sorry, couldn't wait
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Wingtip clearance not assured
LHR, and accident to happen 
Everyone operating to LHR knew this will happen one day! A shame for you Brits, this at an international airport. Feel sorry for the crew who will be targeted and torn apart by these bureaucrats, the same twits that imposed the most stupid security control for crew on this planet!
Everyone operating to LHR knew this will happen one day! A shame for you Brits, this at an international airport. Feel sorry for the crew who will be targeted and torn apart by these bureaucrats, the same twits that imposed the most stupid security control for crew on this planet!
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Hi all, just phoned the duty editor at News 24 and explained the difference between a runway and a taxiway, and that the captions could be more accurate, he said thanks and they would change it next time round...
SimonHK (@BBC World Service)
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I did exactly the same, simon, and I see they have at least changed the ticker tape. I've also called Sky, Channel 4 News and the Today programme.
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It's been happening for the last 8 years I've worked here!
It's nothing new unfortunately.
If one good thing that comes out of this is the 'to camera' piece of Annasofie from Denmark then maybe not all journolists are so bad
Everyone operating to LHR knew this will happen one day
It's nothing new unfortunately.
If one good thing that comes out of this is the 'to camera' piece of Annasofie from Denmark then maybe not all journolists are so bad
[QUOTEI would seriously suggest that it's time to close the doors on the place and develop a proper 21st Century airport for London elsewhere. The fundamental problem is that the basic layout was designed in 1946 for a/c with half the current span and a quarter of the weight of present designs. The site simply isn't big enough and don't get me started on the infrastructure. The main road to the airport from the South goes over a railway bridge which was built 150 years ago for horse & cart and hasn't been widened since!
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Hey OddOne, yer being quoted on Sky News
Intellectual rights and all that guff
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Hey OddOne, yer being quoted on Sky News
Intellectual rights and all that guff
