Dash 8 gear problems ( Merged)

[teleport]

Crash definition on wikipedia

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"Aviation accidents and incidents, a collision with or on the ground or between flying vehicles"

[silverelise]

crash /kræʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[krash] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object)
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5. Aeronautics. to land in an abnormal manner, usually causing severe damage: The airliner crashed.
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So per the dictionary definition, a landing in which the gear collapses is abnormal and thus a "crash landing". Admittedly people do tend to blur the words "crash" and "collision" in their minds eye.

[Ranger 1]

I have heard a number of comments from crews of the Q-400 srs, one was about the landing gear, when it first came into service.
I can't help wondering if the harsh enviroment the SAS aircraft sometimes operate in, has taken its toll sooner on the Landing gear of these aircraft than those operated in less harsh enviroments.
Despite all this I guess we shall have to wait for the full report from the investigators to be published.

[jewitts]

Currently being reported in the Danish press, the Pilot in the Vilnius incident, had shut down the right engine, mindful that the prop had penetrated the aircraft in the Aalborg incident. Both right side gear failures. Also being reported is that Pilots and Crew of the SAS Dash 8s are holding a crisis meeting and possibly a vote of no confidence. They have been reminded by management not to talk to the press.

[nippysweetie]

Bombardier recommending that all Q400s with more than 10,000 landing gear cycles be grounded for inspections work – about 60 aircraft affected.
Austrian Airlines as well as SAS known to be taking appropriate action. This is getting costly...

[radiosutch]

Flybe DH8 baggage fire warning

I understand a flight from Guernsey to Jersey (ex Manchester) with 74 pax on board on the 11th September had a baggage hold fire warning indication en route to Jersey. The plane stopped on the runway at Jersey and was towed off.

Later Ian Taylor the General Manager advised that it was a spurious signal/ electrical fault.

Source Guernsey Press 12.9.07

[Asdrius]

Some more pics of damage from local press:

Early morning, few hours after the event
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/crime...ureID=14363171
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/crime...ureID=14363195

Later in the day as the plane was moved:
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/crime...ureID=14363966
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/crime...ureID=14363962
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/crime...ureID=14363935
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/crime...ureID=14363941
http://www.alfa.lt/pictureGallery.do?articleId=150116

VIdeo link:
http://www.lrytas.lt/videonews/?id=1...187620067&sk=1
Funny thing at the end of the video you could actually see Austrian Q400 depart close to crippled SAS plane.

It is reported that on final approach the crew shut down the right engine and on touchdown, when right main gear collapsed, the remaining engine was shut down.

The damage does not look as extensive as in EKYT event, it might be repairable? Of course first the reasons for this MLG failure must be investigated.

[normally right blank]

While pilots are instructed to shut up after any mishap and usually do so, it is interesting to read how there's always someone willing to make unwarranted statements, in this case the chief of the Airport's fire department. Unless I make wrong conclusions from the Danish reports, he comments on how a foam carpet would have reduced the risk of fire on touchdown (although we have been taught for years that foam carpets are not such a good idea) and that it was seconds/millimeters from a full-blown catastrophe (how very reassuring to pax).
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You're absolutely correct. This clown, however, is not from the airport's fire department. (It is handled by the Danish Air Force for the joint user airfield). But when there is a major incident, accident, catastrophe etc. this gentleman from the nearest "normal" fire brigade comes - usually late - in and takes over "operational control". Thank God, the air force firefighters were ready and put out the fire. (There is an "un-cut" version of the video out there somewhere).

[RS999]

On BBC News 24 Website.........

Flybe grounds aircraft for checks

Six Flybe Bombardier Q400 aircraft are being checked

The UK airline Flybe has grounded six of its Bombardier Q400 turboprop aircraft while safety checks are carried out on their landing gear.
Two of the type owned by the Scandinavian airline SAS have crashed on landing in Europe in the past three days but no passengers were injured.
The manufacturer has also asked for 60 of these aircraft to be grounded for safety checks.
The Flybe routes affected include those serving Edinburgh, Belfast and Gatwick.
Other affected routes include services from the Isle of Man, Manchester, Southampton and the Channel Islands.
The first incident occurred at Aalborg, Denmark on Sunday, and the second happened on Wednesday at Vilnius, Lithuania.
Bombardier and Goodrich, the landing gear manufacturer, has now asked for 60 of the aircraft operating around the world to be grounded until an inspection of the landing gear is carried out.
In July, a Flybe Bombardier Q400 with 36 people on board had to make an emergency landing in Edinburgh when crew members were forced to shut down one of its two turboprop engines.

[samusi01]

...and Horizon Air has grounded most if not all of it's Q400 fleet as well - I was emailed this link today.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/14097069/detail.html

-Sam

[mohdawang]

Q400 landing gear problem & Boeing 737 Okinawa incident

Time to recall all these products like Mattel & Fisher-Price?

[admiral ackbar]

I have heard a number of comments from crews of the Q-400 srs, one was about the landing gear, when it first came into service.
I can't help wondering if the harsh enviroment the SAS aircraft sometimes operate in, has taken its toll sooner on the Landing gear of these aircraft than those operated in less harsh enviroments.
Despite all this I guess we shall have to wait for the full report from the investigators to be published.

Well Bombardier being a Canadian company you would think that they would be used to harsh environments and design for them, as I am sure all leading aircraft manufacturers do.

[alph2z]

4 news videos (english)
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ub=CTVNewsAt11

1 news video (english)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/...-grounded.html

4 news videos from Bombardier head-office city (french).
http://lcn.canoe.ca/lcn/infos/lemond...12-082631.html
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[Ranger 1]

admiral ackbar; indeed they do design for these enviroments but.. stick the aircraft in service & you will no doubt over time find out all sorts of Snags that failed to surface during testing, I have known a few Mods on aircraft, over my few years in the world of aviation. Hope they get this one sorted soon

[Jetney]

Product recall?

Nice going Mohdawang, you little one with the horns! Even bigger loss of "face " here you reckon?

[redED]

Yesterday, the 404 Birmingham - Belfast had gear problems, and had to go around. G-JECN landed successfully at Belfast upon second attempt.

This was infact due to a flap problem apparently, the second attempt being a flapless landing.

[Flap40]

Looking at that Aalborg video I'm surprised that the lift dumpers were used.

[redED]

Looking at that Aalborg video I'm surprised that the lift dumpers were used.

They always are, as soon as there's "weight on wheels".

[Flap40]

I know that they always are for a normal landing but is there not an override facility to allow more control in gear unsafe landings? It seems to deprive the crew of some element of control as to how hard the wing hits the ground.

[Alpine Flyer]

Tyrolean reports internally that an inspection has been mandated/provided by Bombardier and that airplanes will be able to return to service upon satisfactorily completing this inspection. (No details on whether that is short-term recurrent until a permanent fix has been devised.)