Dash 8 gear problems ( Merged)
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Following Sunday's accident in Aalborg, in Denmark, in which one of the landing gears of a Q400 type aircraft collapsed on landing, SAS has today, September 10, conducted discussions with aircraft producer Bombardier.
The producer has confirmed that what happened in Aalborg has never occurred before with this aircraft type at any airline in the world.
SAS conducts regular checks and maintenance programs that meet official requirements.
However, after consultation with Bombardier and although this must be regarded as an isolated incident, SAS has decided to implement a number of extraordinary checks of the landing gear on the entire fleet of Q400 aircraft. These checks are additional to official requirements.
A special inspection of all aircraft of the type in question will be conducted without delay. Work will commence immediately and all aircraft are expected to be inspected within four days.
The producer has confirmed that what happened in Aalborg has never occurred before with this aircraft type at any airline in the world.
SAS conducts regular checks and maintenance programs that meet official requirements.
However, after consultation with Bombardier and although this must be regarded as an isolated incident, SAS has decided to implement a number of extraordinary checks of the landing gear on the entire fleet of Q400 aircraft. These checks are additional to official requirements.
A special inspection of all aircraft of the type in question will be conducted without delay. Work will commence immediately and all aircraft are expected to be inspected within four days.
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Passengers in the seat rows adjacent to the propellers were moved to alternative seats prior to landing and there were enough empty seats elsewhere on this flight to allow this. What is the procedure if the aircraft is full? Do you leave passengers exposed to the risk of propeller parts penetrating the cabin or do you try to strap three passengers across some pairs of seats in other parts of the cabin?
Was moving the passengers away from these seat rows a part of the normal checklist for main gear problems or was this something that the crew (very wisely) decided to do under their own initiative?
Was moving the passengers away from these seat rows a part of the normal checklist for main gear problems or was this something that the crew (very wisely) decided to do under their own initiative?
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Q400 Crash at Vilnius
Scandinavian Airlines regrets to confirm that one of its aircraft, a Dash 8-400 (Q400) with flight number SK2748 from Copenhagen to Palanga was involved in an accident at Vilnius Airport, at 01:48 hrs local time today.
Although no further details of the accident are available at the moment we can confirm that there are 48 passengers and 4 crew onboard. All passengers where evacuated after landing and no injuries are reported.
A team of specially-trained SAS personnel is currently on its way to Vilnius to assist all passengers and crew.
Scandinavian Airlines and Widerøe have decided to ground the entire fleet of Dash 8-400 aircraft until further notice.
Although no further details of the accident are available at the moment we can confirm that there are 48 passengers and 4 crew onboard. All passengers where evacuated after landing and no injuries are reported.
A team of specially-trained SAS personnel is currently on its way to Vilnius to assist all passengers and crew.
Scandinavian Airlines and Widerøe have decided to ground the entire fleet of Dash 8-400 aircraft until further notice.
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SAS Q400 flying CPH-Palanga route after circling over Palanga for a long time trying to troubleshoot the problem decided to divert to Vilnius Intl. for emergency landing. Vilnius had better runways and better emergency response. On landing the plane was damaged but nobody hurt. It seems the plane is blocking the runway, and there are disruptions on this morning flights in Vilnius.
Some pictures here:
http://www.alfa.lt/pictureGallery.do?articleId=150004
Some pictures here:
http://www.alfa.lt/pictureGallery.do?articleId=150004
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Interested to see comment from head of Lithuanian CAA:
"The plane went off the runway because the right landing gear did not function, but the plane landed safely," he added.
On what basis can a Dash 8 landing be considered safe, if the landing gear fails on touchdown?
Incidentally, Bombardier has requested that all Dash 8-Q400s with over 10,000 cycles be grounded for checks.
"The plane went off the runway because the right landing gear did not function, but the plane landed safely," he added.
On what basis can a Dash 8 landing be considered safe, if the landing gear fails on touchdown?
Incidentally, Bombardier has requested that all Dash 8-Q400s with over 10,000 cycles be grounded for checks.
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>"The plane went off the runway because the right landing gear did not
> function, but the plane landed safely," he added.
>
> On what basis can a Dash 8 landing be considered safe, if the landing gear
> fails on touchdown?
How to spin an accident... Once the wheels have touched, it's landed. After that its taxi.
> function, but the plane landed safely," he added.
>
> On what basis can a Dash 8 landing be considered safe, if the landing gear
> fails on touchdown?
How to spin an accident... Once the wheels have touched, it's landed. After that its taxi.
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These Q400s must have costed SAS a fortune by now! In the beginning they had lots of problems with aborted TOs, due to false warnings(?), and also quite a few with smoke development in the flight deck. I wonder if any previous, modern, ac ever had that many problem during their first 5-10 years of operation... Anyone who could comment? Any FlyBe guys around? Have you had as many problems with the Q400? Can the problems at SAS be traced to specific maintenance / operational procedures perhaps?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Q400 Crash at Vilnius
VILNIUS (Reuters) - A plane with 52 people aboard crash landed in Lithuania on Wednesday but no one was hurt, the airport said, in the second such accident this week involving a turboprop of the Scandinavian SAS airline.
The plane ploughed through the ground with its fuselage and right wing and slid off the runway at Vilnius airport when the crew decided to put down there after noticing in flight that landing gear had failed.
Following a crash of the same type of SAS plane on Sunday in Denmark, also due to landing gear problems, the airline said it was grounding the Canadian DHC-8-400 aircraft and cancelling 112 flights.
None of the 48 passengers or 4 crew was injured in Wednesday's accident involving the plane, popularly known as the Dash 8, SAS said in a statement. The accident happened at 1.48 a.m. local time (2248 GMT), it added.
"The plane was en route from Copenhagen to the western Lithuanian town Palanga when the crew noted the failure of the front and right landing gear," said Vilnius airport spokesman Arunas Marcinkevicius.
The crew then decided to land in Vilnius, which has a longer and broader runway. Emergency crews raced to the scene to evacuate the passengers and crew, but no one was injured, he added.
Another SAS operated plane of the same type with 73 people on board crashed on Sunday due to landing gear failure in Aalborg in western Denmark, but no one was seriously injured.
The twin-engine turboprop is produced by Canada's Bombardier . Its Q400 version can seat between 68 and 78 passengers, depending on configuration.
The plane ploughed through the ground with its fuselage and right wing and slid off the runway at Vilnius airport when the crew decided to put down there after noticing in flight that landing gear had failed.
Following a crash of the same type of SAS plane on Sunday in Denmark, also due to landing gear problems, the airline said it was grounding the Canadian DHC-8-400 aircraft and cancelling 112 flights.
None of the 48 passengers or 4 crew was injured in Wednesday's accident involving the plane, popularly known as the Dash 8, SAS said in a statement. The accident happened at 1.48 a.m. local time (2248 GMT), it added.
"The plane was en route from Copenhagen to the western Lithuanian town Palanga when the crew noted the failure of the front and right landing gear," said Vilnius airport spokesman Arunas Marcinkevicius.
The crew then decided to land in Vilnius, which has a longer and broader runway. Emergency crews raced to the scene to evacuate the passengers and crew, but no one was injured, he added.
Another SAS operated plane of the same type with 73 people on board crashed on Sunday due to landing gear failure in Aalborg in western Denmark, but no one was seriously injured.
The twin-engine turboprop is produced by Canada's Bombardier . Its Q400 version can seat between 68 and 78 passengers, depending on configuration.
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SAS and Wideroe Ground entire fleet ...
Bombardier ground all Q400s worldwide with more than 10,000 landings until an inspection programme is designed and implimented!
Bombardier ground all Q400s worldwide with more than 10,000 landings until an inspection programme is designed and implimented!
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Flybe Q400's grounded
12 September 2007
Bombardier, the manufacturers of the Q400, one of the types of aircraft operated by Flybe, has this morning recommended all operators of the aircraft to inspect the landing gear on all Q400’s with over 10,000 landings.
This inspection affects six of our Flybe Q400 aircraft. Flybe has 74 aircraft of all types in its fleet.
Flybe has immediately followed this advice and is inspecting the aircraft. We are reviewing options to minimise disruption to today’s flying programme. We have posted details of affected flights as shown below and will continue to update this information throughout the course of today.
We advise passengers to review this website on a regular basis if they are flying today. If you have any detailed questions, please contact our call centre on 0871 522 6157.
Flight delays and cancellations as caused by recent operational disruptions:
Isle of Man - London Gatwick
BE7331, due to depart 06:50, is now planned to depart at 08:20
Isle of Man - Manchester
BE7342, delayed, planned to now depart at 12:25
Edinburgh - Southampton
BE7240/BE7243 cancelled
Edinburgh - Belfast City
BE684/BE685 cancelled. Passengers will be reaccommodated onto BE127/BE128 via Glasgow
Exeter - Newcastle
BE701 cancelled. Passengers will be reaccommodated onto Exeter - Leeds Bradford service with bus travel provided on to Newcastle
Guernsey - Southampton
BE616/BE617 cancelled
Jersey - Southampton
BE228/BE229 cancelled
Bombardier, the manufacturers of the Q400, one of the types of aircraft operated by Flybe, has this morning recommended all operators of the aircraft to inspect the landing gear on all Q400’s with over 10,000 landings.
This inspection affects six of our Flybe Q400 aircraft. Flybe has 74 aircraft of all types in its fleet.
Flybe has immediately followed this advice and is inspecting the aircraft. We are reviewing options to minimise disruption to today’s flying programme. We have posted details of affected flights as shown below and will continue to update this information throughout the course of today.
We advise passengers to review this website on a regular basis if they are flying today. If you have any detailed questions, please contact our call centre on 0871 522 6157.
Flight delays and cancellations as caused by recent operational disruptions:
Isle of Man - London Gatwick
BE7331, due to depart 06:50, is now planned to depart at 08:20
Isle of Man - Manchester
BE7342, delayed, planned to now depart at 12:25
Edinburgh - Southampton
BE7240/BE7243 cancelled
Edinburgh - Belfast City
BE684/BE685 cancelled. Passengers will be reaccommodated onto BE127/BE128 via Glasgow
Exeter - Newcastle
BE701 cancelled. Passengers will be reaccommodated onto Exeter - Leeds Bradford service with bus travel provided on to Newcastle
Guernsey - Southampton
BE616/BE617 cancelled
Jersey - Southampton
BE228/BE229 cancelled
This is the 3'rd Dash8-400 to have the right main landing gear fail, all with the same result. 2 for SAS and 1 in Japan some years back, an All Nipon if i remember correctly. Also All Nippon had a nosegear not extending in march of this year, all the -400.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Flybe: Flight disruptions 12 September 2007 (AM)
After the initial disruption to Flybe’s programme outlined below, we are pleased to report that today’s schedule is now back on track with only minimal delays. Passengers should therefore check in as normal for their flights. Flybe expects tomorrow’s programme to operate as normal.
After the initial disruption to Flybe’s programme outlined below, we are pleased to report that today’s schedule is now back on track with only minimal delays. Passengers should therefore check in as normal for their flights. Flybe expects tomorrow’s programme to operate as normal.
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Tell me about it. I was listening to that most trusted of BBC wireless stations, Radio 4, when they announced on their 10:00 news that two SAS Q400s had crash landed. Oh, please! 
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ya, correct. One in Aalborg/DK/Sunday and one in Vilnus/LIT to day 12th.
Both with gear problems right side.
All SAS Dash grounded.
reg. vic.
Both with gear problems right side.
All SAS Dash grounded.
reg. vic.
Last edited by vic12; 12th Sep 2007 at 12:57.