Ryanair withhold landing fees
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This is rediculous, they may be able to charge pilots for an application form etc and they can sure leave people's bags behind when they want.
What they cannot do is take off without clearance from ATC, in the case of BRS the whole airport is owned and run as one operation. Ground the a/c until they cough up. This is business and you can't break contracts in business and get away with it.
Pay up M O'L or leave your pax sat in the a/c til you do. If I was a tug driver I'd happily park up for the day.
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What they cannot do is take off without clearance from ATC, in the case of BRS the whole airport is owned and run as one operation. Ground the a/c until they cough up. This is business and you can't break contracts in business and get away with it.
Pay up M O'L or leave your pax sat in the a/c til you do. If I was a tug driver I'd happily park up for the day.
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wasn't there an episode in manchester, some 12mths or so ago, where a ryan 737 was prevented from leaving for a few hours, because they were "behind" in there payments of landing fee's???
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Failure to pay landing fees closely followed by fuel companies demanding cash only for fuel has in my experience been the first signs of an airline having cash flow problems.Is the Ryanair bubble about to burst?
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Boeingboy , yes there was an incident in MAN re non payment by FR of airport charges. Management had enough and did the tug bit or whatever.Despite much promising by Ryanair that the cheque was finally in the post, management at MAN were not convinced and held the aircraft until the dosh was delivered -bank draft i seem to remember ,many hours later.
What smaller airports need to be wary of is a situation where one carrier can have so much of their business that they can be effictively held to ransom.
This actually happened in Kerry airport. Ryanair squeezed such a cut throat deal that the airport woke up one morning and found that it had no money for any future development.In order to get some dosh together it decided to surcharge the pax £5 per head outbound . Ryanair then mounted a PR campaign asking pax not to pay the charge and threatning all sorts of legal stuff.Kerry were caught everyway.I don't know how it all ended up but it was a wake up call for other airports. Knock in particular who told O'Leary to f off if he didn't like their charges.Evidence around that Belfast Intnl have also learned from this and have given a similiar response .
Big question now for Mo'L is - where is the next 25%growth going to come from. FR shares have had their first downgrading in recent memory from some analysts.
What smaller airports need to be wary of is a situation where one carrier can have so much of their business that they can be effictively held to ransom.
This actually happened in Kerry airport. Ryanair squeezed such a cut throat deal that the airport woke up one morning and found that it had no money for any future development.In order to get some dosh together it decided to surcharge the pax £5 per head outbound . Ryanair then mounted a PR campaign asking pax not to pay the charge and threatning all sorts of legal stuff.Kerry were caught everyway.I don't know how it all ended up but it was a wake up call for other airports. Knock in particular who told O'Leary to f off if he didn't like their charges.Evidence around that Belfast Intnl have also learned from this and have given a similiar response .
Big question now for Mo'L is - where is the next 25%growth going to come from. FR shares have had their first downgrading in recent memory from some analysts.
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Low cost is definetly not the way forward for Airlines in Europe or The US. Ryan Air could not even be described as a low cost carrier its just a pretender that will end up having a very bad landing.
Easy Jet and Go are showing signs of what the future low costs will become like. Yes there will be no frills but there will be allocated seats as well as flying to proper Airports close to major Cities and not Five hours drive away.
British Airways and American Airlines will go on to give customers who want to pay more for reliability quality service and a choice of excellent destinations as well as connections to Airports accross the Globe.
If I Micheal O leary wants to remain as Europes leading low cost flag carrier he beeter take a leaf out of Go's book. But to be quite honest Ryan Air is phethetic and should start to join the real world of Airlines.
''We all Know what keeps Airlines in the Air and its not lift but plenty of cash and even Micheal O Leary can't keep an Airline going by just talking bull****!
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Easy Jet and Go are showing signs of what the future low costs will become like. Yes there will be no frills but there will be allocated seats as well as flying to proper Airports close to major Cities and not Five hours drive away.
British Airways and American Airlines will go on to give customers who want to pay more for reliability quality service and a choice of excellent destinations as well as connections to Airports accross the Globe.
If I Micheal O leary wants to remain as Europes leading low cost flag carrier he beeter take a leaf out of Go's book. But to be quite honest Ryan Air is phethetic and should start to join the real world of Airlines.
''We all Know what keeps Airlines in the Air and its not lift but plenty of cash and even Micheal O Leary can't keep an Airline going by just talking bull****!
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Low cost is the way forward and as far as the landing fees are concerned, don't for a minute believe that FR is heading for trouble!
MOL just likes to try it on occasionally and if he succeeds then well done to him. He will however learn to back off once he's been told to f**k off by the relevant airport owners. This is how things turned out in NOC, KIY and MAN so let's just see how far he'll be able to go in BRS.
MOL just likes to try it on occasionally and if he succeeds then well done to him. He will however learn to back off once he's been told to f**k off by the relevant airport owners. This is how things turned out in NOC, KIY and MAN so let's just see how far he'll be able to go in BRS.
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Two can play at Ryanair's game. If it really is threatening to unilaterally withold half the agreed landing fees, then it is quite within the rights of the airports concerned to club together and advertise their willingness to impound aircraft at the drop of a boarding pass, under such circumstances. No need to mention any particular carrier by name -- the much despised corps of journos can be relied upon to fill in the gaps.
It would be interesting to see how many passengers are willing to fly on a particular carrier if they think that they might turn up and have an extended chance to examine the inside of the departure lounge. Of course, there's a risk that the pax would just get scared and stay away in general -- but I think it would be possible to word things to avoid that.
It's in nobody's interests if Ryanair's preferred game of hardball results in airports running out of cash.
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It would be interesting to see how many passengers are willing to fly on a particular carrier if they think that they might turn up and have an extended chance to examine the inside of the departure lounge. Of course, there's a risk that the pax would just get scared and stay away in general -- but I think it would be possible to word things to avoid that.
It's in nobody's interests if Ryanair's preferred game of hardball results in airports running out of cash.
R
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Someone who doesn’t pay their bills generally gets a poor credit rating. Will it be reflected in their "Standard and Poor"? - if so credit is going to cost more.
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HMU : I think LTN MAN's problem with Ryanair is that they agreed to pay a certain price then unilaterally decided to pay only half of the bill at the agreed fees, after the event, hence breaking the terms of the contract. Hence forcing everyone else to pay more than their fair share. Then blaming their cost cutting exercise on 911, when earlier they were bleeting that no airlines should be given state aid.
Whilst I profess to be no smarter than the next person, I can see what his problem with Ryanair is.
I guess you can't blame FR for trying but I do think that these sort of antics are particularly poor, especially after boasting how well they are doing.
It's like a David O'Beckham walking into his local chip shop and asking how much 40 bags of fish and chips cost (for all his team mates), ordering them, eating them all and then only giving the poor owner half the money. All the other football teams and locals who only ever have the odd bag of chips then end up subsidising the brain dead. In the meantime DOB is telling the local punters that he got paid 120,000 pounds last week and that chips really are more expensive than they should be....
....But don't get me on to Fish and Chip shops again !!!
Whilst I profess to be no smarter than the next person, I can see what his problem with Ryanair is.
I guess you can't blame FR for trying but I do think that these sort of antics are particularly poor, especially after boasting how well they are doing.
It's like a David O'Beckham walking into his local chip shop and asking how much 40 bags of fish and chips cost (for all his team mates), ordering them, eating them all and then only giving the poor owner half the money. All the other football teams and locals who only ever have the odd bag of chips then end up subsidising the brain dead. In the meantime DOB is telling the local punters that he got paid 120,000 pounds last week and that chips really are more expensive than they should be....
....But don't get me on to Fish and Chip shops again !!!
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To HMU, I have no problem with Ryanair but I think it is important that PPRUNEers know what is going on with this outfit. If MOL was a second hand car salesman I’m sure he would be under investigation by trading standards and the police for being rather dodgy. 
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If you don't pay for services you've already had, then you are a common thief (or 'teef' to our Paddy pruners). The guy is a serious liability to his airline. The sooner they get shot of him, the better. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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I read in some papers lastlate last year that RyanAir were putting FLS under heavy pressure to reduce maintenance charges. I would consider this to be much more serious. FLS are suffering, and if their bigger customers get reductions, there has to be safety concerns. Maintenance, especially on the older 737s should be a priority.