Terror incident at Glasgow Airport
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Looks like the arsonist who set fire to the 145 at GLA a couple of years ago did us a favour after all. Ever since, the cops and airport security have been much more vehicle-aware. The layout at the front is annoying, but I think the zig-zagging required to get into it probably slowed the Jeep down enough it did not have the inertia to get inside.
Please note, all the above is merely speculation on my part.
Please note, all the above is merely speculation on my part.
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I wonder if the current rebuild of the front of Heathrow T3 is about to get a hasty rethink, or whether they'd already planned to make it harder to get in with a vehicle? Hindsight is amazingly effective, sometimes.
The attack at Glasgow was amateurish and should not be used to determine airport layout and the spending of vast sums.
A simple line of bollards (like you see in pedestrian areas in cities) on say 2m spacing inside the kerb line would suffice to stop vehicle penetration towards any building, while still allowing free access for pedestrians to/from the vehicles. Just install them sufficiently inside the kerb line to allow vehicle doors to open (I offer this advice as it is apparent that airport operators generally do not have a clue about such matters). A contractor could install these along the complete terminal frontage at Glasgow and elsewhere in a few days and usage of the roadway be resumed as normal - and hasn't the government said they want to continue as normal.
Unfortunately a number of airport operators have seized a heaven-sent opportunity today to increase their revenue after this incident and direct all incoming vehicles into their short-term car parks to drop off, where the users have to pay. Airports have long had the drop-off traffic in their sights as yet another revenue stream to plunder, and this has given them the chance to slip it in while pretending it is all in aid of security. This is a completely unacceptable approach, to profiteer on the back of the events in Glasgow.
A simple line of bollards (like you see in pedestrian areas in cities) on say 2m spacing inside the kerb line would suffice to stop vehicle penetration towards any building, while still allowing free access for pedestrians to/from the vehicles. Just install them sufficiently inside the kerb line to allow vehicle doors to open (I offer this advice as it is apparent that airport operators generally do not have a clue about such matters). A contractor could install these along the complete terminal frontage at Glasgow and elsewhere in a few days and usage of the roadway be resumed as normal - and hasn't the government said they want to continue as normal.
Unfortunately a number of airport operators have seized a heaven-sent opportunity today to increase their revenue after this incident and direct all incoming vehicles into their short-term car parks to drop off, where the users have to pay. Airports have long had the drop-off traffic in their sights as yet another revenue stream to plunder, and this has given them the chance to slip it in while pretending it is all in aid of security. This is a completely unacceptable approach, to profiteer on the back of the events in Glasgow.
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Unfortunately a number of airport operators have seized a heaven-sent opportunity today to increase their revenue after this incident and direct all incoming vehicles into their short-term car parks to drop off, where the users have to pay. Airports have long had the drop-off traffic in their sights as yet another revenue stream to plunder, and this has given them the chance to slip it in while pretending it is all in aid of security. This is a completely unacceptable approach, to profiteer on the back of the events in Glasgow.
Many car parks at airports are operested by Private company's such as NCP. Wouldn't the airport advise them of what charges to apply as long as long as the parking companies get their fare share of the profit.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
A simple line of bollards (like you see in pedestrian areas in cities) on say 2m spacing inside the kerb line would suffice to stop vehicle penetration towards any building, while still allowing free access for pedestrians to/from the vehicles. Just install them sufficiently inside the kerb line to allow vehicle doors to open (I offer this advice as it is apparent that airport operators generally do not have a clue about such matters). A contractor could install these along the complete terminal frontage at Glasgow and elsewhere in a few days and usage of the roadway be resumed as normal - and hasn't the government said they want to continue as normal.
Lets get real here. Even our in-house security publications warned of the vulnerability of terminal buildings to VBIEDS over 2 years ago, yet nothing meaningful has been done at many UK airports to stop someone pulling up right outside. If we knew about it the authorities certainly knew about it, but it costs money to take effective preventative measures. The Glasgow attack has simply demonstrated what happens when you take half-hearted measures to counter a very real threat.
Operating into Uk now and security ?
I am flying a trip into Manchester from the US this week.
Wondering what we might expect as Pilots for a US airline now in the way of extra delays / hassles with enhanced security.
Any information would be welcome
Wondering what we might expect as Pilots for a US airline now in the way of extra delays / hassles with enhanced security.
Any information would be welcome
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I am amazed to see that the Glasgow fire was being hosed to little effect with what appears to be water. Is there any reason why they didn't use the same foam that should be used for aircraft fires? They didn't seem to have nearly as much success as I did recently with a 1 kg of dry power.
I was always told that you didn't use water to put out a petrol fire.
I was always told that you didn't use water to put out a petrol fire.
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The aviation risk remains unchanged, it is the general risk category that has been changed. However, do not expect your transport to the hotel to drop you off/pick you up directly outside the terminal.
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They used water to extinguish the flames as there was not that much petrol about. Other factors to be considered were that they were at a car which had rammed the building and could explode anytime and it could be easily seen that there were gas jets emmiting from the side of the vehicle. Therefore water was used from behind whatever cover was available. Hose reels were used initially as time is required to set into a fire hydrant, a reel will provide water for some 20 minutes while the main line would empty the tank in 30 seconds. The appliances carry foam tanks and they were subsequentl;y used but this had to wait until the appliances were connected to hydrants.
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Unfortunately a number of airport operators have seized a heaven-sent opportunity today to increase their revenue after this incident and direct all incoming vehicles into their short-term car parks to drop off, where the users have to pay. Airports have long had the drop-off traffic in their sights as yet another revenue stream to plunder, and this has given them the chance to slip it in while pretending it is all in aid of security. This is a completely unacceptable approach, to profiteer on the back of the events in Glasgow.
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terrorist pilot?? how easy?
With the current issues regarding the 'terrorist doctors', who naturally would have to get through a certain degree of screening. (Be is security or psychiatric)
It seems to me that if these people can get jobs as doctors, how difficult would it be for them to be employed as airline pilots and do the unthinkable?
Possibly they were doctors before they joined the dark side, but if doctors can be persuaded to join the extremist group then the same could surely apply to pilots...possibly a pointless discussion but surely valid?
It seems to me that if these people can get jobs as doctors, how difficult would it be for them to be employed as airline pilots and do the unthinkable?
Possibly they were doctors before they joined the dark side, but if doctors can be persuaded to join the extremist group then the same could surely apply to pilots...possibly a pointless discussion but surely valid?
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Roy, I have to say your retort is pointless and invalid. Sadly, as a pilot myself we must accept that AQ are capable of placing any operative into any profession including ours. Like it or not, it's the sad truth and although we may all kick up about Airport Security and the assoc. aggro, we have little else to defend us and the travelling public.
The World has changed, much for the worse and I cannot see an answer in the short or medium term - possibly a generation.
Depressing thought...
The World has changed, much for the worse and I cannot see an answer in the short or medium term - possibly a generation.
Depressing thought...
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Snowploughs blocking the RVP
Snowploughs blocking the RVP
Driving past a well known airport tonight I see that the RVP gate is now blocked by a snowplough. Is this a case of security over safety? One supposes that if the keys for the gate an snowplough are kept together that’s fine but if not .....
Driving past a well known airport tonight I see that the RVP gate is now blocked by a snowplough. Is this a case of security over safety? One supposes that if the keys for the gate an snowplough are kept together that’s fine but if not .....
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...we must accept that AQ are capable of placing any operative into any profession including ours. Like it or not, it's the sad truth and although we may all kick up about Airport Security and the assoc. aggro, we have little else to defend us and the travelling public.
As I mentioned on the other post about security, all we have is "Terror Theatre" which is managed by incompetents. Their only skills are smoke and mirrors vaudeville which they hope no one will ever really expose for the sham that it really is.
Like lambs to the slaughter, the travelling public follow the government hype and flock like sheep through the 'security' imposed on them at airports, all in the name of generating more money for those making the decisions. The terrorists have won and it is purely thanks to the failings of these pathetic decision makers who implement 'airport security theatre'.
all we have is "Terror Theatre" which is managed by incompetents. Their only skills are smoke and mirrors vaudeville which they hope no one will ever really expose for the sham that it really is.
Like lambs to the slaughter, the travelling public follow the government hype and flock like sheep through the 'security' imposed on them at airports, all in the name of generating more money for those making the decisions. The terrorists have won and it is purely thanks to the failings of these pathetic decision makers who implement 'airport security theatre'.
Like lambs to the slaughter, the travelling public follow the government hype and flock like sheep through the 'security' imposed on them at airports, all in the name of generating more money for those making the decisions. The terrorists have won and it is purely thanks to the failings of these pathetic decision makers who implement 'airport security theatre'.
My sentiments exactly Cargo Boy. I recently flew out of BHX and I just had to laugh at the pityful new security measures designed to save us all from destruction. In actual fact, it won't in the least stop a determined suicidal vehicle attack on the terminal. And even if the baddies couldn't get close to the terminal they just have to detonate a car bomb in the now hopelessly overcrowded short stay car park (now used as the pick-up and drop-off area) which is teeming with people. It's all so pathetic. It won't be long before they will create drop-off / pick-up areas 5 miles from airports! But then they had better remember to ensure that they x-ray all baggage and persons before they reach the terminal!
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What about a delivery truck full of all those goodies you now are obliged to buy "airside"? Certainly won't be going into the short-term carpark, with the stuff being carrried inside package by package by the driver 
Admittedly, blowing it up at the delivery point won't kill as many people, but it would still make an almighty mess.
Yeah, let's have a five-mile perimeter, including for the airside goodies shops vultures.
Admittedly, blowing it up at the delivery point won't kill as many people, but it would still make an almighty mess.
Yeah, let's have a five-mile perimeter, including for the airside goodies shops vultures.