British Airways Regional routes to BACE at Manchester
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British Airways Regional routes to BACE at Manchester
Just heard that British Airways Regional at Manchester are to give most of their remaining routes to British Airways CitiExpress.
Consequences - 20 Pilots and 60 Cabin Crew at BAR must go.
BACE to takeover all routes to Milan, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam and more.
No bigger planes just the 145’s and 146.
Looks like those BACE guys and gals will just be working harder.
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Consequences - 20 Pilots and 60 Cabin Crew at BAR must go.
BACE to takeover all routes to Milan, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam and more.
No bigger planes just the 145’s and 146.
Looks like those BACE guys and gals will just be working harder.
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The road of life is rocky and you might stumble too, but as you point your finger someone else is judging you.
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Wonder what they are going to do with the 10 737-500s that they have just completed introducing at MAN. From the unscientific sample of reasonably regular personal experience transferring the AMS route comes as no surprise - I don't think I've been on a 737 flight with more that 40 passengers! CitiExpress will need a few more E145s though I should imagine to cover it all.
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160to4DME - you are incorrect - four 737-500's will leave MAN in summer 2002. No aircraft will be leaving this year.
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"After V1, we'll take the emergency into the air - You call 'Positive Climb' and I'll ask for the gear up. We'll climb away at between V2 and V2 + 25"
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160to4DME,
as such there is no 'running down' of the BA operation at MAN. The only changes is the use of smaller (50 seater) aircraft replacing the current 737-500's. BA have made no indication that they will be reducing the number or frequency of the routes at MAN.
Of course it has serious implications for BA 'mainline' pilots who are curently based there, but as such, the only difference to the flying public is that they will now be transported in 'cigar tubes' that can't land if its foggy ;-)
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"After V1, we'll take the emergency into the air - You call 'Positive Climb' and I'll ask for the gear up. We'll climb away at between V2 and V2 + 25"
as such there is no 'running down' of the BA operation at MAN. The only changes is the use of smaller (50 seater) aircraft replacing the current 737-500's. BA have made no indication that they will be reducing the number or frequency of the routes at MAN.
Of course it has serious implications for BA 'mainline' pilots who are curently based there, but as such, the only difference to the flying public is that they will now be transported in 'cigar tubes' that can't land if its foggy ;-)
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"After V1, we'll take the emergency into the air - You call 'Positive Climb' and I'll ask for the gear up. We'll climb away at between V2 and V2 + 25"
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...and at the risk of being flamed again, I again heard today, from a different source, that the first will go in November, with 4 gone by end April 2002.
Let's wait and see........
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Let's wait and see........
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No I have it on good authority that we will be operating the winter with 10 737-500 in Manch if they can get them all to work at the same time!
But they did say a couple of weeks ago that we would be getting the A318,so far be it from me to belive a word a BA manager says.
Its only a matter of time till Bace have 737's and we are off to British London Airways .
But they did say a couple of weeks ago that we would be getting the A318,so far be it from me to belive a word a BA manager says.
Its only a matter of time till Bace have 737's and we are off to British London Airways .
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I'll tell you why it's a disaster if it is'nt obvious to you.
80 families of the pilots and cabin crew involved, plus many more probably to follow, will have their lives turned upside down for no good reason, other than that London Airways as it should be known chooses not to market their services from anywhere but London. They will find that this fails dismally in the long run as the paying customers go elsewhere in Europe to transfer as overcrowded and under-invested Heathrow dies a slow but certain death.
From the passenger point of view, they will pay more to fly on smaller aircraft operated by third level operators purporting to be BA.
Now do you see why it's a disaster?
I'll tell you why it's a disaster if it is'nt obvious to you.
80 families of the pilots and cabin crew involved, plus many more probably to follow, will have their lives turned upside down for no good reason, other than that London Airways as it should be known chooses not to market their services from anywhere but London. They will find that this fails dismally in the long run as the paying customers go elsewhere in Europe to transfer as overcrowded and under-invested Heathrow dies a slow but certain death.
From the passenger point of view, they will pay more to fly on smaller aircraft operated by third level operators purporting to be BA.
Now do you see why it's a disaster?
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curious pax,
I might be able to help you as to why the ams flight only has about 40 pax on it.
Anyone with any financial sense travels 20 min west along the M56 and pays considerably less for the same distance travelled( minus 20 miles)You can only fit a few frills in one hour.
I might be able to help you as to why the ams flight only has about 40 pax on it.
Anyone with any financial sense travels 20 min west along the M56 and pays considerably less for the same distance travelled( minus 20 miles)You can only fit a few frills in one hour.
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or Mr uppity as the reality is likely to be
if this happens....
1) the majority of flight crew / cabin crew reductions will be achieved by natural wastage, i.e. leavers to bigger and better things, pregnancy, promotions to other fleets
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2) the flights continue to be operated by BA (cityexpress is 100% owned)
3) passenger suffers only in that he now is likely to have somebody sitting next to him instead of sitting in splendid isolation
4) capacity being matched to demand means shock horror routes may actually make a profit, something BAR manchester has consistently failed to do, meaning ....
5) in the long run there is a future for BA in Manchester
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if this happens....
1) the majority of flight crew / cabin crew reductions will be achieved by natural wastage, i.e. leavers to bigger and better things, pregnancy, promotions to other fleets
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2) the flights continue to be operated by BA (cityexpress is 100% owned)
3) passenger suffers only in that he now is likely to have somebody sitting next to him instead of sitting in splendid isolation
4) capacity being matched to demand means shock horror routes may actually make a profit, something BAR manchester has consistently failed to do, meaning ....
5) in the long run there is a future for BA in Manchester
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I suggest that the aircrew and cabin crew of BACE might take exception to be referred to as 'third level'. There will be many in BRAL and Brymon, too, who are going to have to face great change in their circumstances as a result of the creation of BACE; many do not enjoy the over-protection and copious benefits of BA.
When big fish eat little fish, indegestion is bound to follow for all concerned and 'Nigels' are not immune.
I suggest that the aircrew and cabin crew of BACE might take exception to be referred to as 'third level'. There will be many in BRAL and Brymon, too, who are going to have to face great change in their circumstances as a result of the creation of BACE; many do not enjoy the over-protection and copious benefits of BA.
When big fish eat little fish, indegestion is bound to follow for all concerned and 'Nigels' are not immune.
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Mr Uppity,
Whether you like it or not Brymon/British Regional ie BA CitiExpress is part of British Airways now and although I may have misinterpreted your posting if I haven't then I for one would take great offence to being described as an employee of a third level airline.
I can assure you that we fly to as high a standard as BA mainline if not higher and please lets not forget that it was BA that approached British Regional originally regarding the franchise and then again in relation to their purchase of us.
We may fly small aircraft but the simple facts are that they make money lots of it, and as a result we have been consistently profitable. These small aircraft build thin routes which are then grown to a point when they can support larger aircraft as evidenced in the recent return to BA Regional of the Manchester Milan route.
I am very sorry to hear that some BA crews will be forced to change base and uproot their families if this becomes the case, but it happens all the time within many other airlines and at least they will get to keep their jobs.
Whether you like it or not Brymon/British Regional ie BA CitiExpress is part of British Airways now and although I may have misinterpreted your posting if I haven't then I for one would take great offence to being described as an employee of a third level airline.
I can assure you that we fly to as high a standard as BA mainline if not higher and please lets not forget that it was BA that approached British Regional originally regarding the franchise and then again in relation to their purchase of us.
We may fly small aircraft but the simple facts are that they make money lots of it, and as a result we have been consistently profitable. These small aircraft build thin routes which are then grown to a point when they can support larger aircraft as evidenced in the recent return to BA Regional of the Manchester Milan route.
I am very sorry to hear that some BA crews will be forced to change base and uproot their families if this becomes the case, but it happens all the time within many other airlines and at least they will get to keep their jobs.
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Uppitty
I fully agree. having experienced that foul little aeroplane on a couple of occasions and not having been able to put my bag in an overhead locker I feel sorry for the business pax (already playing hell with the so-called Club Europe operated on these things).
Manchester has indeed been given the lethal injection by London with Birmingham to survive (BHX to get the A318, their 319's to LHR).BA will bein Manchester but in name only offering a sub standard service to an unsuspecting public. Sad times. As I recently pointed out to a senior manager at MAN. If you can't make money from that airport with that catchment area when crews are operating at "market rate" then either management are incompetent ot its a London policy.
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I fully agree. having experienced that foul little aeroplane on a couple of occasions and not having been able to put my bag in an overhead locker I feel sorry for the business pax (already playing hell with the so-called Club Europe operated on these things).
Manchester has indeed been given the lethal injection by London with Birmingham to survive (BHX to get the A318, their 319's to LHR).BA will bein Manchester but in name only offering a sub standard service to an unsuspecting public. Sad times. As I recently pointed out to a senior manager at MAN. If you can't make money from that airport with that catchment area when crews are operating at "market rate" then either management are incompetent ot its a London policy.
BTSM
