kenya airlines 737-800 missing

[green granite]

Our concern as aviation professionals at the moment is for the crew, and their family, it is their bird. The passengers are responsibility of the insurance company, and the company public relations.

What a totally arrogant statement, the safety of the passengers and crew are the responsibility of the captain, be it of an aircraft or a ship.

[Very_Low_and_Fast]

Kribi

Normal flight path from Douala to Nairobi should have taken them over Yaoundé. Somebody reported that the crash site is south of Kribi, quite off-track…

[RoyHudd]

Kenya Airways......"Safe"Option..earlier posting

Safest option is to travel by land in Africa. No apologies, excepting SAA for the moment, African airlines are downright dangerous, ditto African airspace, ditto African weather. Bad combination. Stats support it, as does the latest crash news.

[cammron]

List Of Missing Below

NATIONALITY
NUMBER

CAMEROON
34

INDIA
15

SOUTH AFRICA
7

CHINA
6

IVORY COAST
6

NIGERIA
6

BRITAIN
5

NIGER
3

CAR
2

DRC
2

SWISS
1

MALI
1

TOGO
1

SWEDEN
1

GHANA
1

COMOROS
1

MAURITIUS
1

SENEGAL
1

CONGO
1

EGYPT
1

TANZANIA
1

US
1

BURKINA FASO
1

KENYA
9
CREW

UNIDENTIFIED
6

Total
114

Copied from another source.It affects so many countries,what a shame..We must find answers AFRICA

[Very_Low_and_Fast]

Road

Roy, you have obviously not driven on an African road. If you have and be alive to tell you wouldn’t have said so. There are dangers in Africa but the road is NOT safe option.

There are numerous safe airlines in Africa (Ethiopian is an example, only one crash due to hijack – Comoros).

[rmac]

Have to agree with VL&F, a drive on the highway from Douala to Yaounde is IMHO considerably riskier than a short flight on the dreaded Cameroon Airlines.

CAMEROON AIRLINES PAX PRE TAKE OFF CHECKLIST.
IPOD ........up LOUD !,
HIPFLASK.......OPEN
GOOD BOOK......BURY HEAD INSIDE
IMAGINATION.......MUTED

Works for some other beauties too, like Bellevue, ScibeZaire(as they used to be), Ghana (unfortunately these days) etc

However, over the years have in the main been positively impressed, and prefer to fly East-West on Kenyan and Ethiopian

[helldog]

Very sad day. My heart goes out to all the family members. From someone who lost a family member recently I know how sick this makes you.
I used to fly into Douala everyday almost. I notice that someone said it crashed south of Kribi thats a fair way south although I guess a jet trying to get around a storm could get there in maybe 10-15 min. This is totaly possible, as was stated there is no radar there. So when you request a diversion they just give it to you and then they dont have a means to follow you, except maybe to ask to report back on track. There is very little traffic to the south east of Douala, the crew would have know this and knew they would be safe to manouver in the area, please note that this is just a thought as to why they MAY have been off track.
Anyway all we can hope now is that someone may have survived, remember Japan Airlines 747 on little girl made it. Our thoughts should be with the families right now because they will all be praying that their loved one is the miracle surrvivor in this one.

[alexmcfire]

The supposed crash site, http://www.tageo.com/index-e-cm-v-00-d-m4452786.htm

[kingair9]

By the way - plane supposed to be 737-8AL 5Y-KYA, 6 months old.

[robbreid]

Kenya Airways B737-8AL 5Y-KYA

http://www.airfleets.net/show/?pic=66957 Kenya Airways Boeing 737NG-8AL, s/n 35069, first flew 9th, October 2006 5Y-KYA - aircraft involved in crash.

[alexmcfire]

CNN now claim a different crash site, Lolodorf rather than Niete..

[coopervane]

Speculators

In never fails to amaze me after an incident/accident such as this how so many people start to dream up all sorts of ideas and versions of what they think went wrong.

What you should always remember is that people may or may not have lost their lives here and until more concrete news about what has actually occured, then maybe the so called wise after the event brigade should have the patience to see what the other speculators of the truth (the media) have uncovered or indeed have actually found out.

Aviation is all about facts. It is good to post genuine information but pointing the finger of blame before the aircraft has even been found goes far beyond good reporting.

Perhaps comment on the accident report when the professionals have compiled it, then as always have your say. Until then comment on what you know rather than what you think you know. Remember lots of non aviation people read this too.

Coop & Bear

[flyoneday]

RoyHudd,ure an embarrassment to Human Race!!!

i work as a crew for Kenya Airways-The Pride Of Africa!!!!
We are here praying that the pax n crew on board are safe n all u can say is "ROADS ARE SAFER"? i suppose you are in the wrong place.
If u cant help us grief, get the heck out!
Accidents can happen to any airline!

We are praying for some good news.
For those who have a heart,we thank you.

~
flyoneday

[punchus]

Our concern as aviation professionals at the moment is for the crew, and their family, it is their bird. The passengers are responsibility of the insurance company, and the company public relations. Every-body who flies in an aircraft must take the responsibility to fly, safely, and must account for these at least mentally.

Andrew OO The above quote is nothing short of a scandalous statement. Arrogant and ignorant. Maybe it's just as well you are an ATPL wannabe.

[fatboy slim]

Do METAR or TAF reporting exist at the departure airport? Does anyone have access to the archives for these who could post?

[MattYYC]

FKKD 051600Z 26005KT 9999 SCT016 FEW020CB BKN300 29/25 Q1008 NOSIG
FKKD 051500Z 27004KT 9999 BKN016 FEW020CB BKN120 30/25 Q1008 NOSIG
FKKD 051400Z 26005KT 9999 BKN016 FEW020CB BKN120 31/25 Q1009 NOSIG
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FKKD 051100Z 34004KT 9999 BKN016 FEW020CB BKN120 29/24 Q1012 NOSIG
FKKD 051000Z 00000KT 9999 BKN016 FEW020CB BKN120 28/24 Q1012 NOSIG
FKKD 050900Z 00000KT 9999 BKN016 FEW020CB BKN120 27/24 Q1012 NOSIG
FKKD 050800Z 00000KT 9999 SCT016 FEW020CB BKN120 26/25 Q1012 RETS NOSIG
FKKD 050700Z 00000KT 9999 TS BKN015 FEW016CB BKN120 25/24 Q1011 NOSIG
FKKD 050600Z 00000KT 9999 TS BKN013 FEW016CB BKN120 24/24 Q1010 NOSIG
FKKD 050500Z 15003KT 9999 TS BKN013 FEW020CB BKN120 24/24 Q1010 NOSIG
FKKD 050400Z 00000KT 9999 TS BKN013 FEW020CB BKN120 24/24 Q1010 NOSIG
FKKD 050300Z 00000KT 9999 TS BKN013 SCT020CB OVC120 24/24 Q1009 NOSIG
FKKD 050200Z 00000KT 9999 TS BKN013 SCT020CB BKN120 24/24 Q1009 NOSIG
FKKD NIL
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[Fat Reggie]

Punchus....I think there is a "translation" problem here. Surely He cannot mean what it appears.

[Nov71]

Nicely put, Punchus
We all hope for the best, but fear the worst.

Losses due to mechanical failure/weather are accidents, poor maintenance or pressure to fly come what may is negligence, true accidents rarely happen!

Without pax or freight there would be no civil aviation industry. Airlines should have a duty of care to their employees and customers if they want to remain in business.

This forum is Rumours & news. Speculation is unavoidable and often ill-informed ('drunken' pilots) but can lead to changes in attitude, months before the final accident report is published. Accident investigations start with a theory/opinion which is then tested by facts & evidence. Even then the conclusion could be wrong (pilot error)

Severe weather on departure appears to be the main cause in this case,
the question is was take-off justified in the prevailing Wx conditions?

[hetfield]

Severe weather on departure appears to be the main cause in this case,

Severe weather?

If the report above is valid for actual departure time, can't see any SEVERE WEATHER.

regards

[Fat Reggie]

Does ATC practice "weather hold" proceedures, when appropriate, in Africa?