BA to make 5,800 redundent and cut 50a/c.
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Sadly the regional management have stated on the record that their decisions are based upon 'feelings in their waters' rather than a formal business plan, so our engineers had better hope that DE has a kidney stone soon!
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I really think RE needs a bit of support here. Firstly for picking the poisoned chalice of post Ayling BA. Secondly for actually DOING something. "Bias for action" It would be interesting to compare the staffing levels pre Ayling with what is proposed now. The same perhaps? Short haul has always been a mess and leaching money with only the long haul shoring up the bottom line. All Sept 11th did was focus the mind on sorting it once and for all.. .The guy was never going to win popularity stakes... who ever does having to lay people off. But as one who was on his side of the business many years ( now flight deck!! so I can see both sides) and having to restructure businesses because of economic crises, it's never a happy time and not pleasant.. .Just remember, he is honestly streamlining the company to safeguard future jobs and business in the best way he knows how. This should ALL have been done 10 years ago. He wouldn't be attracting such derision from you guys if BA management had done just that. Manage.
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I can just see the pretty young things rushing around Waterworld in their £30,000 pa Armani suits wondering if it is them next, how could BA survive without them.. . Manager Bread Rolls South now that BA has reduced the catering budget and instead of a hot meal the bread rolls now have to be filled bread rolls. OH MY GOD !! can I have an assistant ? Why yes the Manager Operations Control (Mocon) is out of work could he help ?
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Obviously from the majority of post's, there has been trouble brewing for quite some time in BA. Canada had it's second largest airline shut down in a matter of weeks after Sept. 11. Although not quite a comparison to BA's size, It was doing very well for itself. Aquiring several new a-330's and an A-340 only weeks before Sept. 11. One of which is still parked at Manchester if I recall. Would BA be in the same position if the events in the US had not taken place? Or was all of this inevitable?
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From the BBC (Teletext), BA's workforce will be reduced to 42,000 - this is only 4,000 shy of LH (38,000) who fly the same number of people and make more money.
All I can say, is that is a step in the right direction - based on previous experience, this is the first of many BA job cuts. Look at the reaction from the Unions - can you imagine what the reaction would have been if RE had announced 15,000 cuts? It's a shrewd political move to announce 7,000 now and 8,000 later.
RE is finally doing what should have been done 7 years ago....bravo to him for having a go...
All I can say, is that is a step in the right direction - based on previous experience, this is the first of many BA job cuts. Look at the reaction from the Unions - can you imagine what the reaction would have been if RE had announced 15,000 cuts? It's a shrewd political move to announce 7,000 now and 8,000 later.
RE is finally doing what should have been done 7 years ago....bravo to him for having a go...
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Plane*Jane,
You're wrong of course, but don't let that ruin your day. Longhaul at LGW wasn't shoring up shorthaul. Remind yourself to engage brain before openning mouth. Do the words creative accounting mean anything to you? Has the thought that a good proportion of those passengers who flew the LH came in on feeder flights, often, I might add, given the SH flight for free,crossed your mind? Between my Dad and myself, and spanning four years, we went once each to HK and Jakarta on BA from Barcelona and were given the Barcelona flights free. I suppose we could have been the only ones; what do you think? Many people here in Blighty (let alone EOG employees!) don't really know that this went on because, let's face it, how many of us lived abroad and had need to buy a LH ticket via London?
To the chap who thought that we at Ex-CFE might be less than happy at losing our 'beloved' RJ: That really depends on the consequences. It may be that those F/O's at BA bidding for early commands at EOG on the 737, or even a LH RH seat might be the ones who are going to be less than happy with the lack of positions available being as they have to put us somewhere.
I suppose they could put us on the dole queue - before someone else comes out with it! - but some senior bods have been asking for weeks now how long it would take to train the RJ crews onto the 737 so I don't think (also read hope) that that is their plan.
Still, 'Life is a box of chocolates' afterall.
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You're wrong of course, but don't let that ruin your day. Longhaul at LGW wasn't shoring up shorthaul. Remind yourself to engage brain before openning mouth. Do the words creative accounting mean anything to you? Has the thought that a good proportion of those passengers who flew the LH came in on feeder flights, often, I might add, given the SH flight for free,crossed your mind? Between my Dad and myself, and spanning four years, we went once each to HK and Jakarta on BA from Barcelona and were given the Barcelona flights free. I suppose we could have been the only ones; what do you think? Many people here in Blighty (let alone EOG employees!) don't really know that this went on because, let's face it, how many of us lived abroad and had need to buy a LH ticket via London?
To the chap who thought that we at Ex-CFE might be less than happy at losing our 'beloved' RJ: That really depends on the consequences. It may be that those F/O's at BA bidding for early commands at EOG on the 737, or even a LH RH seat might be the ones who are going to be less than happy with the lack of positions available being as they have to put us somewhere.
I suppose they could put us on the dole queue - before someone else comes out with it! - but some senior bods have been asking for weeks now how long it would take to train the RJ crews onto the 737 so I don't think (also read hope) that that is their plan.
Still, 'Life is a box of chocolates' afterall.
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Living in Bahrain we fly back to the UK frequently as do all of our friends. We are normally heading for Glasgow or Edinburgh. The additional charge for the short haul leg is virtually nothing. 
. .It shouldn't need a professor of Accountancy to be able to work out a fair cross charge between the two. BA would probably need an entire department <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
. .It shouldn't need a professor of Accountancy to be able to work out a fair cross charge between the two. BA would probably need an entire department <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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from what i understand, this is the 'cons' in pros and cons of joining BA. the news for us is that the CFE guys will be travelling with the RJ's as they are on a fixed contract with aircraft not base so none of us guys will have to fly them.
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WW2 et al, it's the timescale that fascinates me.. .All at BHX have been told that the target is to move the lovely 319's to LHR by Oct 02!. .I can't beleive that any existing BHX pilots will wait around to operate 146's.
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Maybe this business of flight crews and engineers going with aircraft is calculated. If you don't like the idea of going to Manchester or Birmingham then you know where the door is. Easy way of getting rid of staff, p**s 'em off enough and they'll go of their own accord.
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Very good "City Comment" from todays Daily Telegraph.
[quote]Pilot Rod dumps more baggage but the pigs fly ever higher
BA job cuts aim to save £650m
HERE'S a quick lesson in aviation economics. Yesterday British Airways cut another 5,800 jobs: what will these people do? They could set up Ryanair, Easyjet and Go, and still have 1,800 left over. Doing so would create £4.6 billion of value, even assuming Go is worth only the knock-down £100m BA got for it. BA itself is valued at just £2 billion and it will employ 45,000 staff even after the latest savage cuts.
No wonder Rod Eddington had to resort to his "Honey, I shrunk the airline" routine again yesterday. He had chopped 7,200 after 9-11 and, while this seems "radical" to Mr Eddington and "butchery" to the unions, BA has only just started on this particular route. Despite the £650m a year it is supposed to save, the 10pc margins of Mr Eddington's plans look as plausible as a near-miss with a flying pig.
With the unions on board, he cannot travel fast. His latest swing is at the staff of Waterside, BA's custom-built HQ with hairdresser, fitness centre and flower shop, lovingly arranged around a 175m glazed atrium. There's not a passenger in sight, merely 3,000 people having meetings with each other. That's twice the entire staff of Easyjet; no wonder Mr Eddington has concluded that 1,000 do B All and are excess baggage.
Cutting jobs and routes will not turn BA into Easyjet. BA has finally come up with the idea of displaying its cheapest fares on the internet (although not until June), which shows just how far off the pace it is. The plan is to pinch the best tricks from the no-frills rivals on the short-haul routes, while maintaining silver service for business clients who fly London-Paris one day and London-New York the next. That looks hard to pull off.
Pilot Rod can only hope that normal service resumes soon on the fantastically profitable bankers' shuttle to America, giving him the headroom to sort out the rest of the business. He's discovering there's more stick than joy in the BA cockpit.<hr></blockquote>
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[quote]Pilot Rod dumps more baggage but the pigs fly ever higher
BA job cuts aim to save £650m
HERE'S a quick lesson in aviation economics. Yesterday British Airways cut another 5,800 jobs: what will these people do? They could set up Ryanair, Easyjet and Go, and still have 1,800 left over. Doing so would create £4.6 billion of value, even assuming Go is worth only the knock-down £100m BA got for it. BA itself is valued at just £2 billion and it will employ 45,000 staff even after the latest savage cuts.
No wonder Rod Eddington had to resort to his "Honey, I shrunk the airline" routine again yesterday. He had chopped 7,200 after 9-11 and, while this seems "radical" to Mr Eddington and "butchery" to the unions, BA has only just started on this particular route. Despite the £650m a year it is supposed to save, the 10pc margins of Mr Eddington's plans look as plausible as a near-miss with a flying pig.
With the unions on board, he cannot travel fast. His latest swing is at the staff of Waterside, BA's custom-built HQ with hairdresser, fitness centre and flower shop, lovingly arranged around a 175m glazed atrium. There's not a passenger in sight, merely 3,000 people having meetings with each other. That's twice the entire staff of Easyjet; no wonder Mr Eddington has concluded that 1,000 do B All and are excess baggage.
Cutting jobs and routes will not turn BA into Easyjet. BA has finally come up with the idea of displaying its cheapest fares on the internet (although not until June), which shows just how far off the pace it is. The plan is to pinch the best tricks from the no-frills rivals on the short-haul routes, while maintaining silver service for business clients who fly London-Paris one day and London-New York the next. That looks hard to pull off.
Pilot Rod can only hope that normal service resumes soon on the fantastically profitable bankers' shuttle to America, giving him the headroom to sort out the rest of the business. He's discovering there's more stick than joy in the BA cockpit.<hr></blockquote>
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Clearly BA has grown out of proportion to its business, with unnecessary non-productive staff and large fixed overhead. And just as clearly it needs the flexibility to eliminate these problems if it is to survive....and moving crews and aircraft around the system is just one of many possibilities...the US aircrarriers have been doing this for years....the unions at BA will just have to like it....or lump it.. .In addition, short haul apparently does not generate sufficient revenue to pay for itself....so why not sell all the short haul aircraft and enter a joint venture with EasyJet (for example) to carry the connecting pax to LHR, etc? Would not be good news for the short haul crews.....but the guys ay Easy would be smiling all the way to the bank.
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BA have yet to state which 10 routes will be axed . According to the press release it is 5 shorthaul and 5 longhaul. The press have further added that all routes to be axed are from LGW. As BA have stateded that LGW longhaul will all be 777 based it shouldn't be too difficult to work out what 747 routes that have not been moved to LHR are being axed. SEZ and MRU have recently gone, or will go, to LHR. Anyone got any suggestions what the 5 longhauls might be?
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"Hi Noah, how many men will it take to pull your Ark up the ramp.". ."About ten I think.". ."So that's You, Me, two other Brothers and six contractors that we only use until the job is done, thus releasing them to concentrate on working for others,training etc". ."Thats right"
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Yes 411A, but the slots are worth a fortunte and BA will not walk away from them, you cannot guarantee all will then fly BA longhaul, easyJet's costs will be far higher at the prestigious location of LHR, what with the long delays occassionally, higher parking fees and landing fees etc, the cost of the connection rises, people fly point to point Europe to US instead of via LHR etc etc.
Do you really think the low costs would not raise prices if they gained a new monopoly over European travel, especially via LHR? Not in the real world.
Back to the topic I think...
Do you really think the low costs would not raise prices if they gained a new monopoly over European travel, especially via LHR? Not in the real world.
Back to the topic I think...
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Just a note on the RJs going to Manchester, they will actually be operated by BACX which,as our managment never tire of telling us, is a separate company to BA. So if you want to fly them or fix them, one assumes you will have to transfer to the subsiduary company, if they have any vacancies!!
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just to keep this alive, we are under the impression that the RJ's come with the CFE crews to BHX or MAN. their contracts state that they are type fixed for 5 years before any realistic bidding off fleet so they may be pushed after all
