Continental Jet Incident approaching TLV
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Continental Jet Incident approaching TLV
Two Israeli Air Force jets were scrambled today when a Continental Jet lost radio contact approaching TLV airspace. Contact was only resumed once within 15kms from land. At this stage it was already in close contact with the two jets which were ready to act appropriately if need be. Just after it was discovered it was a true technical communication fault and not a hijacking, was the aircraft allowed to land at Ben Gurion Airport.
For my Hebrew speaking friends:
For my Hebrew speaking friends:
דרמה נוספת היום בנמל התעופה בן גוריון: מטוסי קרב של חיל האוויר הוזנקו הערב (11.4.07) לעבר מטוס של חברת קונטיננטל, ועליו 256 נוסעים, לאחר שנותק עימו הקשר. רק לאחר דקות ארוכות ומורטות עצבים הסתבר שמדובר בתקלה טכנית, והמטוס הורשה לנחות.ערנות גבוהה בנוגע לטרור אווירי
מטוסי חיל האוויר ליוו את המטוס עד שהקשר בינו לבין מגדל הפיקוח בנמל התעופה בן גוריון חודש, והוא הורשה לנחות בשדה התעופה. במערכת הביטחון קיימת ערנות גבוהה בכל הקשור לטרור אווירי, ולכן מטוסי קרב נמצאים בכוננות מתמדת.
הקשר עם המטוס אבד עם התקרבו לישראל, וחודש רק כשהיה במרחק של פחות מ-15 ק"מ מחופי הארץ. בשלב זה כבר היו מטוסי חיל האויר בקרבת מטוס הנוסעים, מוכנים להפילו אם ידרשו לכך. ראש הממשלה ושר הביטחון עודכנו בפרטי הדרמה, והרמטכ"ל ומפקד חיל האוויר היו בקשר עם אנשי חיל האוויר שניהלו את האירוע.
רשות התעופה וחיל האוויר חוקרים את האירוע
רק לאחר שהתברר מעל לכל ספק כי הסיבה לטיסה שלא על פי הנהלים היא תקלה טכנית במערכת הקשר, וכי לא מדובר במטוס חטוף, הורשה המטוס לנחות בנתב"ג.
דובר משרד התחבורה, אבנר עובדיה, סיפר כי "רשות התעופה האזרחית יחד עם חיל האוויר חוקרים את האירוע ואחד הכיוונים העיקריים הוא בעיות קשר במטוס עצמו". הדובר הוסיף כי מדובר בנוהל קבוע: "פנו אל המטוס ממגדל הפיקוח ולא היה מענה. התעורר חשד, והוחלט להזניק מטוסים ולבדוק שלא מדובר במטוס עוין. נוצר קשר עין עם הטייסים והפנו את המטוס לים".
מטוסי חיל האוויר ליוו את המטוס עד שהקשר בינו לבין מגדל הפיקוח בנמל התעופה בן גוריון חודש, והוא הורשה לנחות בשדה התעופה. במערכת הביטחון קיימת ערנות גבוהה בכל הקשור לטרור אווירי, ולכן מטוסי קרב נמצאים בכוננות מתמדת.
הקשר עם המטוס אבד עם התקרבו לישראל, וחודש רק כשהיה במרחק של פחות מ-15 ק"מ מחופי הארץ. בשלב זה כבר היו מטוסי חיל האויר בקרבת מטוס הנוסעים, מוכנים להפילו אם ידרשו לכך. ראש הממשלה ושר הביטחון עודכנו בפרטי הדרמה, והרמטכ"ל ומפקד חיל האוויר היו בקשר עם אנשי חיל האוויר שניהלו את האירוע.
רשות התעופה וחיל האוויר חוקרים את האירוע
רק לאחר שהתברר מעל לכל ספק כי הסיבה לטיסה שלא על פי הנהלים היא תקלה טכנית במערכת הקשר, וכי לא מדובר במטוס חטוף, הורשה המטוס לנחות בנתב"ג.
דובר משרד התחבורה, אבנר עובדיה, סיפר כי "רשות התעופה האזרחית יחד עם חיל האוויר חוקרים את האירוע ואחד הכיוונים העיקריים הוא בעיות קשר במטוס עצמו". הדובר הוסיף כי מדובר בנוהל קבוע: "פנו אל המטוס ממגדל הפיקוח ולא היה מענה. התעורר חשד, והוחלט להזניק מטוסים ולבדוק שלא מדובר במטוס עוין. נוצר קשר עין עם הטייסים והפנו את המטוס לים".
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CNN just reported this story on Wolf blitzer's show.
during the course of a "handoff"/ frequency change something went amiss somewhere by someone.
but who?
CAL says their pilots did procedures correctly.
it would seem that the Israeli fighter pilots were quite prudent in their actions too.
just seems to prove that the radio is as important as the wing to modern aviation .
during the course of a "handoff"/ frequency change something went amiss somewhere by someone.
but who?
CAL says their pilots did procedures correctly.
it would seem that the Israeli fighter pilots were quite prudent in their actions too.
just seems to prove that the radio is as important as the wing to modern aviation .
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it came close to being shot down...4 jet fighters scrabled...that is quite a response to NORDO.
the radio started working , explanations understood, and they didn't fall (read shot down) out of the sky
the radio started working , explanations understood, and they didn't fall (read shot down) out of the sky
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I have NO evidence other than published reports...here is one that should interest you. It is from USAToday online and was just posted...it also quotes the Jerusalem Post.
Israelis: We came close to shooting down American passenger jet
Israeli fighters buzzed an American jet this afternoon after the civilian aircraft failed to check in with the airport on its approach to Israel.
"This was the closest we ever came to intercepting a civilian airplane," a military officer tells the Jerusalem Post.
The paper says Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his top generals were put on alert in case they had to authorize the military pilots to shoot down the Continental Airlines flight, carrying 273 people, as it approached Israeli airspace.
The fighter jets conducted a visual inspection when the plane was within five minutes of Tel Aviv.
"From the moment that we lost contact with (the jet) we treated the incident as a possible terror act. When the fighter jets approached the plane, they guided it west. It contacted us and that's how we were sure it was not a terror attempt," a source tells Ynet News
Israelis: We came close to shooting down American passenger jet
Israeli fighters buzzed an American jet this afternoon after the civilian aircraft failed to check in with the airport on its approach to Israel.
"This was the closest we ever came to intercepting a civilian airplane," a military officer tells the Jerusalem Post.
The paper says Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his top generals were put on alert in case they had to authorize the military pilots to shoot down the Continental Airlines flight, carrying 273 people, as it approached Israeli airspace.
The fighter jets conducted a visual inspection when the plane was within five minutes of Tel Aviv.
"From the moment that we lost contact with (the jet) we treated the incident as a possible terror act. When the fighter jets approached the plane, they guided it west. It contacted us and that's how we were sure it was not a terror attempt," a source tells Ynet News
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Did the Israelis know to contact CO's System Ops Center and get the flight dispatcher to send an ACARs message to the crew to come up on the appropriate frequency? This would have solved the problem in a few moments. This is done all of the time with US carriers and no interceptors are launched. US Part 121 carriers are required to have a separate comm system to be able to do this. It is routine in the case of lost comms.
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Anyone still game to take Continental from Newark to Tel Aviv?
Either the most dangerous or luckiest route going, depending on which way you look at it!
(QV: Current pprune thread on the 777 engine failure)
Either the most dangerous or luckiest route going, depending on which way you look at it!
(QV: Current pprune thread on the 777 engine failure)
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Are we once more just targets for the military?
Israelis: We came close to shooting down American passenger jet
Israeli fighters buzzed an American jet this afternoon after the civilian aircraft failed to check in with the airport on its approach to Israel.
"This was the closest we ever came to intercepting a civilian airplane," a military officer tells the Jerusalem Post.
The paper says Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his top generals were put on alert in case they had to authorize the military pilots to shoot down the Continental Airlines flight, carrying 273 people, as it approached Israeli airspace.
The fighter jets conducted a visual inspection when the plane was within five minutes of Tel Aviv.
"From the moment that we lost contact with (the jet) we treated the incident as a possible terror act. When the fighter jets approached the plane, they guided it west. It contacted us and that's how we were sure it was not a terror attempt," a source tells Ynet News.
Reading this makes my blood boil in anger and sadness, what kinda world are we living in?
Please, armies of the World, stop killing innocent people!
Israeli fighters buzzed an American jet this afternoon after the civilian aircraft failed to check in with the airport on its approach to Israel.
"This was the closest we ever came to intercepting a civilian airplane," a military officer tells the Jerusalem Post.
The paper says Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his top generals were put on alert in case they had to authorize the military pilots to shoot down the Continental Airlines flight, carrying 273 people, as it approached Israeli airspace.
The fighter jets conducted a visual inspection when the plane was within five minutes of Tel Aviv.
"From the moment that we lost contact with (the jet) we treated the incident as a possible terror act. When the fighter jets approached the plane, they guided it west. It contacted us and that's how we were sure it was not a terror attempt," a source tells Ynet News.
Reading this makes my blood boil in anger and sadness, what kinda world are we living in?
Please, armies of the World, stop killing innocent people!
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Seems reasonable to me. They appear to have been close to "fully" intercepting this Conny. Should the Pilots have follow the ICAO Interception procedures, they will remain bound for their Destination. Fail and you will be escorted to an Airforce Base. Fail to follow that instruction then its-
"Game Over"
The military procs' are there to protect the majority!
"Game Over"
The military procs' are there to protect the majority!
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Your blood boils at SOP in sending an interceptor to look at an airliner that has lost contact?
You are angry about what?
No one was killed, a sensible precaution was taken. The aircraft didn't fly into any civilian target. A good says work for all concerned.
What is your practical and constructive suggestion? Sit upon one's hands and hope it's R/T failure and not aiming for the Knesset?
Sheeessh! All together now, KUM BAH YA M'LORD KUM BAH YAH.
Come on you middle eastern chaps, DO sing up.
F4F - go find a darkend room and lie down.
You are angry about what?
No one was killed, a sensible precaution was taken. The aircraft didn't fly into any civilian target. A good says work for all concerned.
What is your practical and constructive suggestion? Sit upon one's hands and hope it's R/T failure and not aiming for the Knesset?
Sheeessh! All together now, KUM BAH YA M'LORD KUM BAH YAH.
Come on you middle eastern chaps, DO sing up.
F4F - go find a darkend room and lie down.
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if the 777 crew KNEW they had a com failure, then they might have done the 76 trombones thing.
(slang: squak 7600, lost com)
so they didn't know.
must be a long flight...a little tired upfront?
who knows...but no one can ever take another chance
(slang: squak 7600, lost com)
so they didn't know.
must be a long flight...a little tired upfront?
who knows...but no one can ever take another chance
I really don't believe news reports with any official attribution bragging about how close they came to shooting down an airliner that was not being communicative. We expect step by step procedures no more no less
Deterrence considerations
I really don't believe news reports with any official attribution bragging about how close they came to shooting down an airliner that was not being communicative. We expect step by step procedures no more no less
To make that less likely, a deterrence point of view requires that it both be true and that it believed to be true that the ultimate action can and will be taken at need.
Given the adversaries of interest, press reports of this kind may be about the main tool available to deter perpetrators who can be persuaded that their effort on this method will fail.
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I fly this route a lot. From the FIR to the ADIZ is not very far. Maybe 30 minutes from touchdown. Not a lot of time to second guess.
Sounds like all of the procedures worked. No matter what happened to cause it.
If any of you slept peacefully in Tel Aviv after a long flight, it was precisely BECAUSE of the intense security that you slept well.
Sounds like all of the procedures worked. No matter what happened to cause it.
If any of you slept peacefully in Tel Aviv after a long flight, it was precisely BECAUSE of the intense security that you slept well.
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The German "Supreme Court" (Bundesverfassungsgericht, i.e. the court watching over the constitution) last year ruled that the interception of civil aircraft on the suspicion that they might constitute a danger is unconstitutional as it puts one life against another which is not a right of the state to do.
Sounds civilized to me.
Sounds civilized to me.