Asiana 777 captain in 3 month suspension.
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Asiana 777 captain in 3 month suspension.
Hello, folks.
My friend told me that Asiana airline put one 777 captain in 3 months suspension from his work without payment several days ago.
Company blamed him that he didn’t secure cockpit door properly.
The source said that one the way back from Sydney, the captain met a banker who works for multi-national financial company and had chat with him. The conversation was held in front of L1 door near the front galley. At the end of small chat , the banker gave a business card to the captain. and the captain realized that he left his business card in the wallet which is in the uniform jacket. So the captain returned to the cockpit and pulled the business card out. When he turned back, he realized the banker stood in front of the open cockpit door. The captain gave his business card to banker and that’s it.
But later, one of senior cabin crew told to the captain that there might be a report against captain in SEOUL. Some ( I haven’t heard how many cabin crew saw it and made report it but anyway…..) cabin crew report it to company and Asiana airline put that captain in 3 month suspension from his work without payment.
Be careful when you want to work for Asiana airlines. The cabin crews are watching on you. And if your cockpit door gets loosed, you may fall in humiliation.
Asiana management pilot can forgive reckless flying ( no matter what you lost nose-cone, engine or wingtip …etc in flight) but Asiana management will never cover your ass from cabin report against pilot.
If you loose your nose cone in reckless flying, you will have ,at most, 3 month suspension ( under the management pilot’s merciful wings. Civil Aviation Authority decided cancel pilot’s license but Asiana was begging to 3month suspension)
But If you loose your door lock, you will JUST have 3 month suspension under the management pilot’s dreadful wings.
Good luck guys.
My friend told me that Asiana airline put one 777 captain in 3 months suspension from his work without payment several days ago.
Company blamed him that he didn’t secure cockpit door properly.
The source said that one the way back from Sydney, the captain met a banker who works for multi-national financial company and had chat with him. The conversation was held in front of L1 door near the front galley. At the end of small chat , the banker gave a business card to the captain. and the captain realized that he left his business card in the wallet which is in the uniform jacket. So the captain returned to the cockpit and pulled the business card out. When he turned back, he realized the banker stood in front of the open cockpit door. The captain gave his business card to banker and that’s it.
But later, one of senior cabin crew told to the captain that there might be a report against captain in SEOUL. Some ( I haven’t heard how many cabin crew saw it and made report it but anyway…..) cabin crew report it to company and Asiana airline put that captain in 3 month suspension from his work without payment.
Be careful when you want to work for Asiana airlines. The cabin crews are watching on you. And if your cockpit door gets loosed, you may fall in humiliation.
Asiana management pilot can forgive reckless flying ( no matter what you lost nose-cone, engine or wingtip …etc in flight) but Asiana management will never cover your ass from cabin report against pilot.
If you loose your nose cone in reckless flying, you will have ,at most, 3 month suspension ( under the management pilot’s merciful wings. Civil Aviation Authority decided cancel pilot’s license but Asiana was begging to 3month suspension)
But If you loose your door lock, you will JUST have 3 month suspension under the management pilot’s dreadful wings.
Good luck guys.
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Fairness
Well…..
Since your words is very poetic
Forgive me that I had difficult time to find out what you want to talk.
But if you are saying that violation of SOP should be reported.
I don’t mind it.
But the problem is that violation of SOP never goes both ways in Asiana. That was what I had told you on last post. If you have any friend in Asiana, Ask them who is actually on the top of order in aircraft. Pilot is just a sitting dummy in Asiana.
Have you ever seen a kind a purser who is challenging to the captain because of personal feeling? Have you ever seen a company close their eyes or encourage this kind of behavior? Have you ever struggled with hunger for 2-3 hours (Even though you don’t have any choice on the menu) in flight because cabin crews are simply busy on their words? Have you ever seen a cabin crew never say “hello” to pilot because it is senior cabin crews order?
Well…but anyway it is not our main topic. So let’s put it a side.
But what I wonder is how 777 captain can get same punishment with broken nose-cone captain?
Don’t you think something wrong or biased? If you were in same shoes with 777captain, can you accept 3 months suspension without payment? 777 captain didn’t lied like a person who used to say he tried every efforts to avoid CB and didn’t act like that he was a hero who saved the aircraft and passengers with broken radome.
A wise man said “Good leader should be fair on reward and punishment”
Yeah…They may live with a NOT good leader
Since your words is very poetic
Forgive me that I had difficult time to find out what you want to talk.
But if you are saying that violation of SOP should be reported.
I don’t mind it.
But the problem is that violation of SOP never goes both ways in Asiana. That was what I had told you on last post. If you have any friend in Asiana, Ask them who is actually on the top of order in aircraft. Pilot is just a sitting dummy in Asiana.
Have you ever seen a kind a purser who is challenging to the captain because of personal feeling? Have you ever seen a company close their eyes or encourage this kind of behavior? Have you ever struggled with hunger for 2-3 hours (Even though you don’t have any choice on the menu) in flight because cabin crews are simply busy on their words? Have you ever seen a cabin crew never say “hello” to pilot because it is senior cabin crews order?
Well…but anyway it is not our main topic. So let’s put it a side.
But what I wonder is how 777 captain can get same punishment with broken nose-cone captain?
Don’t you think something wrong or biased? If you were in same shoes with 777captain, can you accept 3 months suspension without payment? 777 captain didn’t lied like a person who used to say he tried every efforts to avoid CB and didn’t act like that he was a hero who saved the aircraft and passengers with broken radome.
A wise man said “Good leader should be fair on reward and punishment”
Yeah…They may live with a NOT good leader
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From what I've heard, that's not the only thing wrong at Asiana. At a previous airline I worked for in the UK, they had FA supervisors that would occasionally monitor a flight, most were fine but there were a couple old hags that they were in charge of the flight. 
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Gee, pretty sad to see things like this happen.There are two issues here.....or more.
One is : The pilot got a little careless with the door. Happens to the best of us.
The other one is the reporting of it to the company. Looking at it from a purely " by the book " angle, the purser, CC or anyone else could always fall back on the "consistency trap".
" I reported a serious lapse in security. Are you going to let him go" " What liberties do I have now"
Post 911.....what a bummer!!
I can almost sense the undertones here, and it is something that sadly is in the direction that many major outfits are taking.
The place I work at is very fast becoming like that.
I hope the tides change.
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so a pilot broke the rules and got punished - shock horror!!!
he was lucky he didn't loose his job
he was lucky he didn't loose his job
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you guys are the first to moan if "trolley dolleys" dont do something right, ive lost count of the times ive been moaned at by some old git because they didnt get offered 1st class food, or i was 20 secs late in giving the toilet checks.
well wake up and smell the coffee, what this guy did was wrong and i would have liked to have seen him be sacked.
i hope that other airlines follow asiana
well wake up and smell the coffee, what this guy did was wrong and i would have liked to have seen him be sacked.
i hope that other airlines follow asiana
must be related!!!
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Folks if lovethesky really is Cabin Crew, please rest assured (as I am sure you already do) that he/she/it does not represent the views of the vast majority of us.
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you guys are the first to moan if
Folks if lovethesky really is Cabin Crew, please rest assured (as I am sure you already do) that he/she/it does not represent the views of the vast majority of us.
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Can't wait for lovethesky to get her transfer up to BA at LHR. 20 seconds late with the toilet checks for me and you'll be suspended. Wake up and smell the coffee, you broke the rules and I'll want to see you sacked.
And don't even think of using your mobile on board!
Yep, happens a lot in BA with the poorer performing cabin crew.
And don't even think of using your mobile on board!
Have you ever seen a kind a purser who is challenging to the captain because of personal feeling? Have you ever seen a company close their eyes or encourage this kind of behavior? Have you ever struggled with hunger for 2-3 hours (Even though you don’t have any choice on the menu) in flight because cabin crews are simply busy on their words? Have you ever seen a cabin crew never say “hello” to pilot
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Ladies/Gentlemen;
So what happens to CRM as a priority on board if the culture entering the aircraft is represented by independant and different groups, the cockpit crew and the cabin crew.
Then you extend that by a factor of different unions represented, different genders represented.
Never mind the glossy nice stuff about CRM but utilizing it from a practical point of view to enhance flight safety, who asks themselves the question before boarding, "Have all of my personal predjudices been left behind?"
For the poster who can hardly wait for some old hag to get her ass up to BA and threatening cell phone usage, where does this put you in your CRM frame of mind for your next trip. Or is CRM defined by cockpit crews as something only for the front crew? That is, if P1/P2 are seeing eye to eye, all is right in the world, the rest be damned.
Is CRM just a course we have to complete and pass and then tucked away until the next currency?
Regards
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So what happens to CRM as a priority on board if the culture entering the aircraft is represented by independant and different groups, the cockpit crew and the cabin crew.
Then you extend that by a factor of different unions represented, different genders represented.
Never mind the glossy nice stuff about CRM but utilizing it from a practical point of view to enhance flight safety, who asks themselves the question before boarding, "Have all of my personal predjudices been left behind?"
For the poster who can hardly wait for some old hag to get her ass up to BA and threatening cell phone usage, where does this put you in your CRM frame of mind for your next trip. Or is CRM defined by cockpit crews as something only for the front crew? That is, if P1/P2 are seeing eye to eye, all is right in the world, the rest be damned.
Is CRM just a course we have to complete and pass and then tucked away until the next currency?
Regards
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You know what I would do if I was him??
If he has a contract with PARc the notice advise is 3 month for Asiana.
It`s exactly what I needed to get a new job.
It would not be hard with such a qualification...
But what really shocks me is to see fellow pilots agreeing with Asiana`s atitude...
Disgusting !!!....
If he has a contract with PARc the notice advise is 3 month for Asiana.
It`s exactly what I needed to get a new job.
It would not be hard with such a qualification...
But what really shocks me is to see fellow pilots agreeing with Asiana`s atitude...
Disgusting !!!....
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In that country they do not leave their prejudices at the door. Someone this website posted on a thread dealing with the unfairness of his airline, Korean Air as I recall. He put it perfectly. They bring their ancient beliefs and traditions into the modern world of a jet transport aircraft.
Anyone that thinks differently is excluded, unless you have a young co-pilot and an ex-pat Captain. Even then you would not believe the cultural difference in the cockpit when some Asian folks have to fly with foreign Captains that are paid 30-40% more than the pilot citizens of the airlines country of origen.
Anyone that thinks differently is excluded, unless you have a young co-pilot and an ex-pat Captain. Even then you would not believe the cultural difference in the cockpit when some Asian folks have to fly with foreign Captains that are paid 30-40% more than the pilot citizens of the airlines country of origen.
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who hires these foreign pilots??
i doubt whether these foreign pilots forced their way into these positions.
they were hired by Korean management.
and i am confident that Korean pilots would take positions that paid well if they had the opportunity.
and most of the foreign pilots work in foreign companies because their country's management drove their airlines into the ground financially.
we as pilots and cabin crew should not take our frustrations out on each other. we are just workers, doing our best and we all make mistakes and have small lapses in judgement at times. we shouldn't nail each other when we do.
our respective managements make the bigger mistakes whilst filling their pockets with money that comes from the work we do.
i flew in korea with asiana 96-98 and i was recently offered the chance to come to Korean Air but have not taken the jump yet because of the animosity that does arise in some minds.
do you honestly think that my NOT coming there and making more money than a Korean pilot, will change anything? no, the Korean management will simply hire someone else.
would my coming and trying to instruct the Korean management accomplish anything? don't think so.
we all may as well get used to the idea of global employment and start treating each other as workers in the same boat. country boundaries and racial differences really should fade into the background.
but in reality all i can do, is to make sure i am as open as i can be and treat people as fairly as i can.
i forgive mistakes since i still make them myself.
we have all flown with asshole captains, and asshole first officers and asshole cabin crew, but the best we can do is make every effort to be different.
they were hired by Korean management.
and i am confident that Korean pilots would take positions that paid well if they had the opportunity.
and most of the foreign pilots work in foreign companies because their country's management drove their airlines into the ground financially.
we as pilots and cabin crew should not take our frustrations out on each other. we are just workers, doing our best and we all make mistakes and have small lapses in judgement at times. we shouldn't nail each other when we do.
our respective managements make the bigger mistakes whilst filling their pockets with money that comes from the work we do.
i flew in korea with asiana 96-98 and i was recently offered the chance to come to Korean Air but have not taken the jump yet because of the animosity that does arise in some minds.
do you honestly think that my NOT coming there and making more money than a Korean pilot, will change anything? no, the Korean management will simply hire someone else.
would my coming and trying to instruct the Korean management accomplish anything? don't think so.
we all may as well get used to the idea of global employment and start treating each other as workers in the same boat. country boundaries and racial differences really should fade into the background.
but in reality all i can do, is to make sure i am as open as i can be and treat people as fairly as i can.
i forgive mistakes since i still make them myself.
we have all flown with asshole captains, and asshole first officers and asshole cabin crew, but the best we can do is make every effort to be different.
