Wideroe Pilot Quits due to security checkpoint hassles
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We all know that many of the so called security staff are failed crew. The closest they can get to our game is to feel you up with some trumped up security ploy.
Why not try this. If as is inevitable, they get more stupid than usual....accuse them of being a terrorist and that their behavoiur is making you unhappy with the security situation.
Call the police and for the so called supervisor (cohort with one extra brain cell......thats one then) and ask for them to be probed and removed from their post and job. Turn the tables!!!!!
You as crew are perfectly entitled to as at the end of the day when they cock up its us that hit the building first. Turn the table on one of gods dumbest animals.
Its also a bit of an insult to us that these idiots (actually thats an insult to idiots in general) think that we are as stupid as they are and wouldnt be able to think of a smarter or easier way the cause truoble than bring it through security.
We all know what we carry on the aircraft for safety and emergency's do they know it as well and if not maybe someone should tell them
To all the good ones and there are one or two. Please educate the fools that are giving you a bad name.
Why not try this. If as is inevitable, they get more stupid than usual....accuse them of being a terrorist and that their behavoiur is making you unhappy with the security situation.
Call the police and for the so called supervisor (cohort with one extra brain cell......thats one then) and ask for them to be probed and removed from their post and job. Turn the tables!!!!!
You as crew are perfectly entitled to as at the end of the day when they cock up its us that hit the building first. Turn the table on one of gods dumbest animals.
Its also a bit of an insult to us that these idiots (actually thats an insult to idiots in general) think that we are as stupid as they are and wouldnt be able to think of a smarter or easier way the cause truoble than bring it through security.
We all know what we carry on the aircraft for safety and emergency's do they know it as well and if not maybe someone should tell them
To all the good ones and there are one or two. Please educate the fools that are giving you a bad name.
Its really fun to mess with the screeners by asking them simple staightforward honest questions.
For example: Who screens the first TSA screener to arrive at work in the morning?
Its amazing how the simplest questions can infuriate them.
LOL, Stearperson
For example: Who screens the first TSA screener to arrive at work in the morning?
Its amazing how the simplest questions can infuriate them.
LOL, Stearperson
For example: Who screens the first TSA screener to arrive at work in the morning?
One would presume it is the same screening that is carried out to ensure that a terrorist can't become a pilot?
Perhaps we should have pilots screening the screeners?
The most trusted people seem to be the cleaners who should therefore should screen the first screeners so that the screeners could then screen the cleaners.
The next politically correct moron that sticks his head up will probably be trying to tell us it wasn't a Pakistani national who murdered Bob Woolmer.
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Screening can be conducted in a very pleasant and non-confrontational manner and with uniform rules. And to be fair, this is the case in at least 98% of airport screening.
The question has been posed "Who screens the screener?" and we are waiting with bated breath for a rational answer.
The mindless act of removing a pair of nail clippers from the Captain of an aircraft has to be seen for the absolute political crock of **** that it truly is. Until that realisation is able to permeate the minds of those who are charged with the job of airport security, we are pissing into the wind against birdbrains.
The question has been posed "Who screens the screener?" and we are waiting with bated breath for a rational answer.
The mindless act of removing a pair of nail clippers from the Captain of an aircraft has to be seen for the absolute political crock of **** that it truly is. Until that realisation is able to permeate the minds of those who are charged with the job of airport security, we are pissing into the wind against birdbrains.
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I travel extensively worldwide, pax or crew on private aircraft. I find security screening a sureal exercise. There is no logic or sense any more.
1) Any half decent serious terrorist or agitator could easlily get unarmed combat training. Hence with no arms (knives etc) they can do serious damage and even kill.
2) My daughter aged 5 had a pair of kids plastic scissors confiscated. I even suggested to the 'security' clown that he tried to do any damage to me to see if the items were dangerous...he declined. Damn, it is virtually impossible to cut even a single sheet of paper with these toys...the ends are rounded, the handles plastic...the actual blade about 1 inch long only and not sharp enough to cut your finger on...even if you try....remember aimed at 5 year olds.
3) In india recently was not allowed to pass security with a flight bag and laptop (the laptop with flightplanning data and other info for flight).... reason......not active flight crew......true as I was on the way to position to pick up an aircraft (hence one way ticket). The actual rule being that passengers are only allowed one tem of hand baggage. BUT....that doesn't could for women who get an item of handbaggage and a handbag.....ehhhh
And as you can guess most of the ladies had massive 'handbags' this being India. Even after showing licence...still not allowed to pass.......and then a lighbulb went on....
So I just taped the two bags togther......made a handle out of tape and claimed they were a single bag.....YUP...that's OK now sir.......
We all have hundreds of these examples of stupidity.........
George Orwell wrote non fiction..................
1) Any half decent serious terrorist or agitator could easlily get unarmed combat training. Hence with no arms (knives etc) they can do serious damage and even kill.
2) My daughter aged 5 had a pair of kids plastic scissors confiscated. I even suggested to the 'security' clown that he tried to do any damage to me to see if the items were dangerous...he declined. Damn, it is virtually impossible to cut even a single sheet of paper with these toys...the ends are rounded, the handles plastic...the actual blade about 1 inch long only and not sharp enough to cut your finger on...even if you try....remember aimed at 5 year olds.
3) In india recently was not allowed to pass security with a flight bag and laptop (the laptop with flightplanning data and other info for flight).... reason......not active flight crew......true as I was on the way to position to pick up an aircraft (hence one way ticket). The actual rule being that passengers are only allowed one tem of hand baggage. BUT....that doesn't could for women who get an item of handbaggage and a handbag.....ehhhh
And as you can guess most of the ladies had massive 'handbags' this being India. Even after showing licence...still not allowed to pass.......and then a lighbulb went on....
So I just taped the two bags togther......made a handle out of tape and claimed they were a single bag.....YUP...that's OK now sir.......
We all have hundreds of these examples of stupidity.........
George Orwell wrote non fiction..................
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This hand baggage rule (1 only) is rigidly enforced at BAA airports in the UK even if it's more stringent than the airline's own regulations. But I fail to see how limiting hand baggage, improves security?
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This hand baggage rule (1 only) is rigidly enforced at BAA airports in the UK even if it's more stringent than the airline's own regulations. But I fail to see how limiting hand baggage, improves security?
.....And if you have two bags its OK to put one inside the other if they fit....
Then at the X-Ray machine they will tell you to remove it and pass them separately
...Of course none of this matters if you are Cherie BLiar.....
As I said earlier, UK avoided if at all possible now,
Regards, SD..
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As we all know, the so called security reached stupid levels.
While working in a so called 3rd world Country as a Crew Member and as a
Captain participated activelly in the security of the airport and the airline.
As a Captain I had the direct contacts (confidential numbers)of Police Chief in charge of Security, I had a status of quasi paramilitary wich allow me to request any Police action and most important of all, the crew members were all briefed to be proactive regarding security.
By the way I had a close encounter with terrorists and all was solved with the information gathered by flight crews.
No nonsense of nailclippers, etc.
On the other side in the so called first world , the crews are considered the enemy, as a result I do not see any atention to detail, any participation of crews in general security, wich allows me to conclude the terrorists have a easier life in the side of the world.
The only way we can change this is maybe making a petition to European Parliament or the Washington maybe if we can get strong enought we can convince the politicians to revise these laws and change our role in this mater
While working in a so called 3rd world Country as a Crew Member and as a
Captain participated activelly in the security of the airport and the airline.
As a Captain I had the direct contacts (confidential numbers)of Police Chief in charge of Security, I had a status of quasi paramilitary wich allow me to request any Police action and most important of all, the crew members were all briefed to be proactive regarding security.
By the way I had a close encounter with terrorists and all was solved with the information gathered by flight crews.
No nonsense of nailclippers, etc.
On the other side in the so called first world , the crews are considered the enemy, as a result I do not see any atention to detail, any participation of crews in general security, wich allows me to conclude the terrorists have a easier life in the side of the world.
The only way we can change this is maybe making a petition to European Parliament or the Washington maybe if we can get strong enought we can convince the politicians to revise these laws and change our role in this mater
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<This hand baggage rule (1 only) is rigidly enforced at BAA airports in the <UK even if it's more stringent than the airline's own regulations. But I fail <to see how limiting hand baggage, improves security?
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It isn't to do with improving security, it's to assist the 3rd party security companies who operate central search in achieving the targets set by the UK Govt. i.e. X amount of pax in Y hours, so the Govt can chalk up another success
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It isn't to do with improving security, it's to assist the 3rd party security companies who operate central search in achieving the targets set by the UK Govt. i.e. X amount of pax in Y hours, so the Govt can chalk up another success
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By the way I had a close encounter with terrorists and all was solved with the information gathered by flight crews.
Seriously, as a SLF I'll gently crawl back into my corner, but I do agree that the way security is handled in being solely the domain of a chosen few and practiced in a Dubya way of "with us or against us", i.e. part of the security force or dumb sheep, is hardly leveraging the possible resources at hand.
On the other hand, the image this projects to the travelling public is that you guys up front on seat 0A and 0K should notbe trusted...
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Actually our airport security have a lot of common sense. The reason might be that it is a small airport, where everybody know each other. They search us, but are not obnoxiously invasive. They also understand that a lot of what they are doing is just for public perception and does not increase real security, like asking us what we need our tools for. They know us since years and know that we aircraft maintence and they know that a trerrorist would just as well lie to them to get e.g. a knife through.
Unfortunately the security people are being watched themselves, e.g. a while ago a secretary, who was a personal friend of many security people was given a gun by the police and ordered to carry it through a checkpoint to see if the security screeners would search her correctly, even though she was wellknown to them. She later apologised to the guards.
What I don't like is that certain members of the airport management are considered inherently secure and have keys to open doors, which bypass security, as well that they do not have to be searched.
Earlier this year we had a new secirity company which became responsible for the airport perimeter and the ramp area, as well as armed guards at the passenger checkpoints. In the beginning they were very officious and pompous (like arresting a colleague, who lost his ID while working on a plane. We searched the plane, found his ID and got him fee again within half an hour, but this stupid 19 year old secondary school dopout told me in a pompous voise that it was strictly forbidden "TO LOOSE ONE'S ID BADGE"..
Unfortunately the security people are being watched themselves, e.g. a while ago a secretary, who was a personal friend of many security people was given a gun by the police and ordered to carry it through a checkpoint to see if the security screeners would search her correctly, even though she was wellknown to them. She later apologised to the guards.
What I don't like is that certain members of the airport management are considered inherently secure and have keys to open doors, which bypass security, as well that they do not have to be searched.
Earlier this year we had a new secirity company which became responsible for the airport perimeter and the ramp area, as well as armed guards at the passenger checkpoints. In the beginning they were very officious and pompous (like arresting a colleague, who lost his ID while working on a plane. We searched the plane, found his ID and got him fee again within half an hour, but this stupid 19 year old secondary school dopout told me in a pompous voise that it was strictly forbidden "TO LOOSE ONE'S ID BADGE"..
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I was travelling through Heathrow with seven week old Little Miss Volmet and was challenged over the bottle of milk in the hand luggage. I was asked to test the liquid so I thrust the bottle into Little Miss Volmet's mouth and she began to greedily gulp down the contents (she has her dad's apetite). Security were duly satisfied and we proceeded on our way.
On the return leg through Edinburgh, the same situation presented itself. Mr Security was not happy watching Little Miss Volmet wolf down a late lunch and insisted that I taste the contents of the bottle myself.
Me... "Why do I have to taste it ?"
The officious one replied...."You may happily harm the baby sir but not yourself"
Me... "Which one of us will alert you if the liquid is not milk ?"
The officious one narrowed his eyes and repeated "You may be quite happy to harm the baby sir but not yourself".
Me.... "If I intended to down an airliner, hurting myself would be the least of my worries".
The penny dropped and with a wry smile he replied "have a nice flight".
On the return leg through Edinburgh, the same situation presented itself. Mr Security was not happy watching Little Miss Volmet wolf down a late lunch and insisted that I taste the contents of the bottle myself.
Me... "Why do I have to taste it ?"
The officious one replied...."You may happily harm the baby sir but not yourself"
Me... "Which one of us will alert you if the liquid is not milk ?"
The officious one narrowed his eyes and repeated "You may be quite happy to harm the baby sir but not yourself".
Me.... "If I intended to down an airliner, hurting myself would be the least of my worries".
The penny dropped and with a wry smile he replied "have a nice flight".
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I keep reading stories regarding the so called security
regarding flight crew members.
But instead of telling stories we should start same
form of fight against this situation.
We all should get organized and stop this nonsense:we are the criminals and security officers are god's.
We are screened by the airlines, to maintain our licences our
criminal record is analized, a lot of us are ex-military who held
various responsabilities reagarding use of deadly force or use of
confindential/secret documents/material.
Now we are the criminals.
While security personnel ,which I already found, sametimes have a dubious past
.
Ok, now they might be screened for the last 5 years of their life and so what?
What is that compared to professional crews that flown all their working lives?
Is time for action.
Or we take action or it will never stop.
Is it normal for a flight crew member to be delayed in is briefing time, stripped of clothes, flight bag searched because of a flight computer , etc. Then had to depart on time and if not, it is is fault and then has to explain why the flight was late?
By the way the security officer never understood wath was the use of the flight computer, he only taught of using it was a weapon , like I didn't have a crash axe and a crowbar in the cockpit.
Where is the safety versus security?
Is time to take action fellows.
regarding flight crew members.
But instead of telling stories we should start same
form of fight against this situation.
We all should get organized and stop this nonsense:we are the criminals and security officers are god's.
We are screened by the airlines, to maintain our licences our
criminal record is analized, a lot of us are ex-military who held
various responsabilities reagarding use of deadly force or use of
confindential/secret documents/material.
Now we are the criminals.
While security personnel ,which I already found, sametimes have a dubious past
.Ok, now they might be screened for the last 5 years of their life and so what?
What is that compared to professional crews that flown all their working lives?
Is time for action.
Or we take action or it will never stop.
Is it normal for a flight crew member to be delayed in is briefing time, stripped of clothes, flight bag searched because of a flight computer , etc. Then had to depart on time and if not, it is is fault and then has to explain why the flight was late?
By the way the security officer never understood wath was the use of the flight computer, he only taught of using it was a weapon
, like I didn't have a crash axe and a crowbar in the cockpit.Where is the safety versus security?
Is time to take action fellows.
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just being ironic
facts as always accurate, taking the p.
Stepped aside to let a wheel barrow load of drinking water be scanned for commercial sale the far side. Value increased by a factor of four. Could l put mine through?
Don`t be silly.
Stepped aside to let a wheel barrow load of drinking water be scanned for commercial sale the far side. Value increased by a factor of four. Could l put mine through?
Don`t be silly.
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a wheel barrow load of drinking water be scanned for commercial sale the far side.
So then "somebody" obviously believe or pretend that scanning will reveal dangerous ingredients in fluids.
Then why is this method not applicable for passengers/crew?
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After brushing over some of the messages, I just wanted to say that you guys are on track with what you feel in regards to the security sham and there is more!!
Have you noticed the feeling in the airports since 9/11. Does it feel safe? Professional? Or could we ask for just basically friendly? NO!! Terrorism or the illusion of, is a wonderful opportunity for the powers to be to impose tight controls on the people and take away our most basic freedom. As well as breeding more distrust and negativity about the world we live in. I remember not so long ago when walking thru an airport was a warm and friendly experience. Not anymore. And further more, its creating more of the same.
Have you noticed the feeling in the airports since 9/11. Does it feel safe? Professional? Or could we ask for just basically friendly? NO!! Terrorism or the illusion of, is a wonderful opportunity for the powers to be to impose tight controls on the people and take away our most basic freedom. As well as breeding more distrust and negativity about the world we live in. I remember not so long ago when walking thru an airport was a warm and friendly experience. Not anymore. And further more, its creating more of the same.