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Biman A310 accident DXB Mon 12th March

Old 13th Mar 2007, 15:47
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Why dont we kick them while they are down!!!
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 16:36
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How about an over weight aircraft that couldn't get off the deck and had to smash its nose landing gear back down. (speculation)?
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 18:32
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Why dont we kick them while they are down!!!
I'm not kicking anyone. I refuse to participate in the ever ongoing back-padding contest. Sure no one was killed but how can that automaticly lead to "job well done lads"? That's as speculative as anything else.
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Old 13th Mar 2007, 18:37
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great video

Shame it is only a "short" clip. There must be many security cameras at many airports, perhaps one or two dedicated to the runway, might be of benefit, perhaps at each end looking down the runway.
What did the guys who came into frame as it went past the camera must have thought.......glf
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Old 14th Mar 2007, 12:47
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Now hearing rumours that the landing a/c in front of the Biman hit some debris on the runway themselves and parts of it were imbedded in their a/c. A/c arrived on stand missing one tyre, but I'm hearing that everything else was intact.

The Biman then was cleared for take-off behind this landing a/c (CX freighter?) and 'collected' some parts of the debris too.

The engine fires reported as it was 'taking off' appear to have been the engine nacelles running along the tarmac!!

So perhaps the bashing is a bit premature indeed and that they did a good job to stop the a/c (without reverse...nacelles on tarmac?) having had their nose gear 'taken out' for them!

The question that has to be answered is that whose bits were left on the runway in the first place....it's all very quiet on that front.

Any inputs from our DXB members?
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Old 14th Mar 2007, 14:43
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I say we blame Cathay! Because...well, because it's just fun to see those serious "Commander"-type guys get all wound up!

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Old 14th Mar 2007, 15:50
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I say we blame Cathay! Because...well, because it's just fun to see those serious "Commander"-type guys get all wound up!
Well if it happened in france they sure as hell would have blamed the whole thing on the operator who left the crud on the runway
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Old 14th Mar 2007, 18:58
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bits on runway!

It is still going to take a lot more than some pieces of rubber or fibreglass to knock out a NLG!
OK boys, who's airie arrived with "additional bits" embedded, besides a blown tyre.
Flat spotted, blown wheels are quite common on the old -200 freighters, no real dramas, other than self damage to plumbing or flaps n fairings.

secondly, w.r.t. that video clip, from someones mobile phone, it was, displays the 310 still hurtling down the rwy at that point, where it disappears behind the hangars and that is well into the last third of the runway end!! The runway ends opposite the hangars seen on the left.
God alone knows how he stopped on the runway, in such a short distance!
video speed playback could be sped up though, 'cos it's unbelievable.
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Old 14th Mar 2007, 19:30
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Looking at the speed of the taxying 747 I don't think the video was speeded up
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Old 14th Mar 2007, 20:38
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Sounds to me that DXB has some serious problems monitoring their "single" runway. How will they cope with 2 working?
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Old 14th Mar 2007, 22:53
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My view - The crew reacted, and stayed on the grey stuff without killing anyone.
If that was your base check you would get a tick in a box, yes or no? They did it for real. Good on them.
If you fly in that part of the world without enough fuel to go else where, when a runway becomes unuseable, then fit drop tanks (joke), or work for an airline that lets the skipper decide how much juice they want. IMHO.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 00:08
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So how much damage was done to the 310 and does anybody have any post incident images?The 310 is starting to become quite rare as a pax aircraft.You don't often see them in a pax role in western Europe.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 04:18
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From a mate of mine on the recovery team...(this is after all a rumour network), the 310 lost an engine, possibly both prior to the nose gear collapse so she must have injested some of the deris. The nose gear collapsed backward either from hitting something hard or from impact with the tarmac as she might have been in the early stages of rotation. The crew really just had to hang on and hope for the best as the TR's were inop and control was limited.
The video is from one of the security cameras from the new EK hangers and not from airport surveillance hence the angle.
Once again, this is a rumour network so all this is his opinion.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 07:53
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Just found out that a friend of mine was on the plane He believes the plane was approaching take off i assume v1 when the breaks came on as hard as you could imagine and after a heavy thud the nose came down breaking the gear and leaving the plane sliding on its engines.. he is ok just a little brused from the fighting as pax tried to get out
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 09:19
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Interesting that the nlg retracted backwards as it normally retracts forwards into the gear bay.It must have been a significant impact!
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 12:31
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Scary Clip. That will be episode 666 on National Geographic's Air Crash investigations
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 13:21
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It is statistically unlikely that the engine(s) would ingest runway debris at V1 or above and be damaged to the point of making the plane unflyable.
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 13:37
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it is statistically unlikely that Concorde will run over a little strip of metal, destroy a tire, hurling bits of rubber into the wing, holing the fuel tanks, spraying gas into the engines, catch on fire, and end up a big smoking hole in a hotel.

whats your point?
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LAS VEGAS (AP) - An Air Canada jet with 146 people aboard was barreling down a runway at 126 mph when it blew landing gear tires and aborted its takeoff from Las Vegas, a Federal Aviation Administration official said Tuesday.

No injuries were reported after Air Canada flight 547 came safely to a stop Monday about halfway down a 14,510-foot runway at McCarran International Airport, the nation's fifth-busiest.

All 140 passengers and six crew were ushered down portable stairs and bused back to the terminal. They were put up overnight at a hotel and flown Tuesday to their original destination in Calgary, Alberta, aboard another plane, airport and airline officials said.

The disabled Airbus 320, which did not became airborne, remained on the runway at McCarran for more than 17 hours with engines damaged by debris from shredded tires, said Ian Gregor FAA spokesman for the regional office in Hawthorne, Calif.

"Both engines are damaged and the left main gear is badly damaged," Gregor said. He said pilots reported brake problems on the aircraft before the mishap.


Uh Oh!
"statistically", that should'nt have happened!

2 DAYS AGO!
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Old 15th Mar 2007, 15:47
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whats your point?
It probably wasn't unflyable for the postulated scenario. Too many hoops to pass through to believe otherwise (Occam's razor)
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