Emergency Landing in Mumbai

[Analyser]

A Saudia 747 makes an emergency landing in Mumbai due to an engine failure.Not too sure of the destination but I think the destination was Mumbai.Details are a bit sketchy.
Also some details regarding an aircraft off the runway at the Bangalore air show.Aircraft is a Jet trainer and veered of the runway.Not too sure whether it was during Takeoff or Landing.It happened just after Ratan Tata(chairman of TATA) had a Sortie in an F-16 making him the oldest Indian at the age of 69 to fly in a fighter aircraft.

[barit1]

I'm not sure why an engine failure would precipitate an "emergency landing". Can you expand on this a bit? If it were a genuine emergency, surely there is some additional factor involved.

[sikeano]

Quote from Barit1

"I'm not sure why an engine failure would precipitate an "emergency landing". Can you expand on this a bit? If it were a genuine emergency, surely there is some additional factor involved"

Well done chap

[Analyser]

Not too sure of the details.ATC had asked some aircraft to hold since a Saudia 747 was declaring an emergency due to an engine problem and was asking for a priority landing.will post the details if i do get them.

[jet_noseover]

I'm not sure why an engine failure would precipitate an "emergency landing". Can you expand on this a bit? If it were a genuine emergency, surely there is some additional factor involved.

barit1,

What I understand the ATC alerted the crew there were "sparks" coming from the engine (on t/o) which eventually cought fire.

[Dan Air 87]

Making a routine landing there is bad enough due to the bad condition of the tarmac- so it must be dreadful in an emergency. Then if its raining too... I landed there in December and even though it was my good old chums at BA on a 744, it was still a rough experience.

[faiser]

what a distinct example it is~

Having compared with an incident that a BA 744 with one engine shut down continued to fly to its destination U.K. from the U.S. few years ago, this story reminds me of that controversial topic.

[Capt Fathom]

I'm not sure why an engine failure would precipitate an "emergency landing". Can you expand on this a bit? If it were a genuine emergency, surely there is some additional factor involved.

Contrary to popular belief, engines are used to move the aeroplane, through the air, fast enough to make the wings to do their thing. When engines stop, it can mean trouble, regardless of how many you have!

[barit1]

Contrary to popular belief, there are enough engines on a 747 that the fickleness of one, once beyond a magic V1, does not in itself constitute an inflight emergency. Perhaps as you learn more, this will (ahem) become fathomable.

My question is: what additional factor(s) brought this event beyond the simple OEI case into the emergency category?

[ironbutt57]

That's a valid question as a "land at the nearest suitable airport" is not applicable on a 3 or 4 engine airplane...something else must have been wrong as well....

[Joles]

That friends was not the only one

Check this news item out
( Source : THE TIMES OF INDIA WEBSITE)

http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes....ow/1581159.cms

Cheers
Anurag

[Tolsti]

Don't you just love the usage of the English language in Indian newspapers....words like harried, harrowing and where planes have 'snags'..... they could teach 'Sun' journalists a thing or two.....

[D'vay]

Snag is a rather advanced term for this journalists to use!

My favourite line was

As per rules, airlines have to carry enough fuel to fly from origin to destination, hover at landing point for some time and then fly to an alternate destination

made my day

D'vay

[barit1]

My favorite was around 1987 - a Bombay (pre-Mumbai) rag had a picture of a medium-size skidded helo on a trailer, said trailer being pushed across the tarmac by a couple of techs.

The caption informed that they were "push-starting the helicopter".

[Stoic]

Appalling thread drift

It is appalling thread drift I know, but my favourite quote from the Sub-Continental press is from the 31 July, 1985 edition of India Today "Interview of the Fortnight" with a retiring Indian High Court judge. Here is the exact wording from the cutting which I have preserved:

Q. Do you think terrorism and the increasing threat to public servants dealing with the terrorists have put additional pressure on the judiciary particularly in a state such as Punjab?

A. No, I don't think a judge trying terrorists should have a particular apprehension to his life. We have session judges who try cases of murder every day. Let me tell you it is a remarkable feature of Indian life that not even once - barring the very odd exception - has a judge been physically harmed.

Regards

Stoic

[Farrell]

My favourite line from that article is:

"The bad air day extended to Bangalore"

[Capt Fathom]

barit1 .. your brass balls are obviously bigger than the yellow streak down my back!

ironbutt57 said..

"land at the nearest suitable airport" is not applicable on a 3 or 4 engine airplane

.. it is in my country!

[barit1]

CF says:

barit1 .. your brass balls are obviously bigger than the yellow streak down my back!

No, not really. I just watch the reports of captains too eager to return to terra firma, and stretch the "nearest suitable airport" definition to the point of marginal suitability.

If you have 75% thrust and plenty of fuel, it's better to sort things out properly and divert to the best airport (plenty of dry r/w, fewest obstacles...) you can find.

That said, I have no quarrel with the BA crew who pressed on LAX-LHR, then diverted to MAN two years ago. They knew their equipment well, and had a fine engineering staff backing them up.

[mutt]

Birdstrike on takeoff, IFSD, aircraft returned and landed...... Whats the big deal???
For anyone who wants to compare this to the BA LAX flight, this one was a B743. (Flt #SV741)
Mutt

[barit1]

Was this a 743 or 744?