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Manchester Airport Security
This is to all the ppruners' from the other Manchester Airport thread.
Alcofly
Unfortunately apron staff are not allowed to access the apron via T1,2,3 outbound search areas due to the number of complaints from passengers. This is because dirt from apron staff (e.g. baggage handlers) clothing has been past on to theirs during clothing checks (frisking).
Silkman
Thanks for your remarks, about most of MAPlc security staff live in Wythenshawe and are uneducated.
WRONG!!
Maybe one does live next door to you in Wythenshawe !!
You will find,you silly person that the majority of staff do not live there but live in more affluent areas of Manchester/Cheshire
I myself live in Bramhall (3 Bed Semi £130,000+)which is obvious when I earn between £21,000 - £30,000 p.a. Also if you find the time to ask you will be surprised to learn that the majority of security staff are well educated, as the PLc could pick and choose who they employed.
Regardind ADI,ICTS when do you ever come into contact with them?
You will find most of them in Wythenshawe, their rates of pay are a joke £10,000 p.a.
Anyway you guys and girls you must remember that moral at MAPLc security is at rock bottom due to future pay cuts (up to 50%),new rosters and we are constantly being watched via CCTV by our management, these cameras are on every post and search area. So if there are any cock ups or guards not complying with management/DETR regulations then you can wave bye bye to your job (which has already happened to a few guards recently).
Yes I know there are some guards that will anoy and obstruct crews but they are in the minority.
So chill out, its our job and it can be a pain for some people but we must aply the rules as laid down by management/DETR.
Alcofly
Unfortunately apron staff are not allowed to access the apron via T1,2,3 outbound search areas due to the number of complaints from passengers. This is because dirt from apron staff (e.g. baggage handlers) clothing has been past on to theirs during clothing checks (frisking).
Silkman
Thanks for your remarks, about most of MAPlc security staff live in Wythenshawe and are uneducated.
WRONG!!
Maybe one does live next door to you in Wythenshawe !!
You will find,you silly person that the majority of staff do not live there but live in more affluent areas of Manchester/Cheshire
I myself live in Bramhall (3 Bed Semi £130,000+)which is obvious when I earn between £21,000 - £30,000 p.a. Also if you find the time to ask you will be surprised to learn that the majority of security staff are well educated, as the PLc could pick and choose who they employed.
Regardind ADI,ICTS when do you ever come into contact with them?
You will find most of them in Wythenshawe, their rates of pay are a joke £10,000 p.a.
Anyway you guys and girls you must remember that moral at MAPLc security is at rock bottom due to future pay cuts (up to 50%),new rosters and we are constantly being watched via CCTV by our management, these cameras are on every post and search area. So if there are any cock ups or guards not complying with management/DETR regulations then you can wave bye bye to your job (which has already happened to a few guards recently).
Yes I know there are some guards that will anoy and obstruct crews but they are in the minority.
So chill out, its our job and it can be a pain for some people but we must aply the rules as laid down by management/DETR.
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In which case - they could maybe wear disposable gloves - I would not want to frisk anyone without protection anyway - dirt is not always visible..
I myself had on clean jeans and T Shirt as well as my Hi vis (clean) and ID badge (displayed in the correct manner)- something which I am sure the Security guard in question would probably have noticed and been able to use his or her discretion about had I had been an 'apron' worker and had the temerity to mix with the public -
incidently; living in Bramhall and being one of the obviously more educated Security personnel; why not suggest to 'Management' that they allow staff access via the 'Fast Track' - I never see anyone go through it anyway
I myself had on clean jeans and T Shirt as well as my Hi vis (clean) and ID badge (displayed in the correct manner)- something which I am sure the Security guard in question would probably have noticed and been able to use his or her discretion about had I had been an 'apron' worker and had the temerity to mix with the public -
incidently; living in Bramhall and being one of the obviously more educated Security personnel; why not suggest to 'Management' that they allow staff access via the 'Fast Track' - I never see anyone go through it anyway
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' . . . its our job and it can be a pain for some people but we must aply the rules as laid down by management/DETR.'
Just obeying orders, eh,boys?
Now, where have we heard that before?
Oh, yes, I remember. Nuremberg, 1947.
Just obeying orders, eh,boys?
Now, where have we heard that before?
Oh, yes, I remember. Nuremberg, 1947.
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OK Upyer RRR
- Mr Secureair747 unilaterally decides to wave through anyone in a peaked cap with nothing more than a cursory glance and (preferably) a salute, and loses his job after about 5 minutes as a result. Climate of fear about their jobs among the remaining security guys cranks up another notch as a result, and so anyone suspected of being a pilot gets checked even more thoroughly every time they pass through, leading to even more inconvenience and delay.
- Mr Secureair747 unilaterally decides to wave through anyone in a peaked cap with nothing more than a cursory glance and (preferably) a salute, and loses his job after about 5 minutes as a result. Climate of fear about their jobs among the remaining security guys cranks up another notch as a result, and so anyone suspected of being a pilot gets checked even more thoroughly every time they pass through, leading to even more inconvenience and delay.
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are these the same professionals who lost their notebook containing all T2 door codes - which had to be changed - the same ones who let someone nip over the fence and muck about with aircraft, the same ones who MAPLC issued a 'how to dress and what not to wear' directive to, the same ones who let all the hold baggage through unchecked when T2 power failed....
and if that's the attitude displayed by in house security towards their brothers in contract security - well there's a display of teamwork in action to defeat a common foe.
I think we should be told.
and if that's the attitude displayed by in house security towards their brothers in contract security - well there's a display of teamwork in action to defeat a common foe.
I think we should be told.
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The trouble with MAPlc management is that they do not listen to their workforce on the shop floor, they just come in with new rules & regulations and don't give a S**T about the grief and agro we get off staff and passengers.
Unfortunately it is illegal to use your own initiative, if you work for MAPlc. It's a sackable offence !!
Tonyt
We have never had a book printed containing door codes. so don't know where that came from.It's up to you to remember them!!
Also can you think of a better way to guard every inch of a 10 miles plus perimiter fence 24/7? That person boarded the aircraft because the silly handling agent left the steps on the aircraft overnight.
Yes you are correct MAPlc management did allow unscreened hold baggege to be loaded onto aircraft whith the approval of the DETR.
I agree this was wrong it should have been upto the passengers and crew not MAPlc or the DETR. If I was a pax that day I would of kicked up a fuss and made sure all the other pax were aware of the situation, and refused to travel on that aircraft.
Its amazing how management can change the rules when it suits, but if the workforce tried to bend the rules then its bye bye.
The trouble with MAPlc management is that they do not listen to their workforce on the shop floor, they just come in with new rules & regulations and don't give a S**T about the grief and agro we get off staff and passengers.
Unfortunately it is illegal to use your own initiative, if you work for MAPlc. It's a sackable offence !!
Tonyt
We have never had a book printed containing door codes. so don't know where that came from.It's up to you to remember them!!
Also can you think of a better way to guard every inch of a 10 miles plus perimiter fence 24/7? That person boarded the aircraft because the silly handling agent left the steps on the aircraft overnight.
Yes you are correct MAPlc management did allow unscreened hold baggege to be loaded onto aircraft whith the approval of the DETR.
I agree this was wrong it should have been upto the passengers and crew not MAPlc or the DETR. If I was a pax that day I would of kicked up a fuss and made sure all the other pax were aware of the situation, and refused to travel on that aircraft.
Its amazing how management can change the rules when it suits, but if the workforce tried to bend the rules then its bye bye.
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Wearing gloves is totally impractical while searching people. Where I work it has been proven to be less effective in finding items hidden beneath clothing.
Which would you prefer? Being searched by a guard who's hands are probably no dirtier than the aircraft seat you are about to sit in for hours, or run the risk of a prohibited item being missed at Security and being carried onto the aircraft?
Which would you prefer? Being searched by a guard who's hands are probably no dirtier than the aircraft seat you are about to sit in for hours, or run the risk of a prohibited item being missed at Security and being carried onto the aircraft?
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HELLO
Read my answer - it was to protect the SECURITY staff; not the person being searched!!!!
READ the thread - you will see that the (perceived) problem is the dirt FROM the Apron staff being passed to the 'Frisker'
Read my answer - it was to protect the SECURITY staff; not the person being searched!!!!
READ the thread - you will see that the (perceived) problem is the dirt FROM the Apron staff being passed to the 'Frisker'
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Lets not make this into a "ground staff versus flight crew" thread. The point is that while Manchester Airport quite rightly spends a lot of effort on passenger needs, those of the poor folk (us) who work there get ignored.
We get a great deal of `anti security staff`and anti the whole security set up at Manchester messages here, the vast majority which are unfortunately justified in my opinion.
However, when passing through the security system last evening on way to the aircraft, the lady on security duty was not only professional, but very courteous and most pleasant as well. She even managed a nice smile too. So we all trooped off to our mighty machine thinking, why can it not be like this all the time? I certainly wish it was.
However, when passing through the security system last evening on way to the aircraft, the lady on security duty was not only professional, but very courteous and most pleasant as well. She even managed a nice smile too. So we all trooped off to our mighty machine thinking, why can it not be like this all the time? I certainly wish it was.
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I have flown the legal max for hours out of manc in the last year and to date have not had a single problem with security in t2.
If there are a couple of a**holes in the work force, it is nowhere near the proportion of arrogant,holier than thou, " captains authority" types that peravade the flight deck community.
Maybe the fact that i was born and educated in wytenshawe gives me a better perspective on social interaction and how lucky i am to have such a great job,without considering myself superior.
crm wouldnt be necessary if ther were not so many arrogant d**ckheads and snobs on the flight deck.
so chill out and be nice to each other
just a thought.
now ask me about the parking gestapo and thats a different story.
If there are a couple of a**holes in the work force, it is nowhere near the proportion of arrogant,holier than thou, " captains authority" types that peravade the flight deck community.
Maybe the fact that i was born and educated in wytenshawe gives me a better perspective on social interaction and how lucky i am to have such a great job,without considering myself superior.
crm wouldnt be necessary if ther were not so many arrogant d**ckheads and snobs on the flight deck.
so chill out and be nice to each other
just a thought.
now ask me about the parking gestapo and thats a different story.
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To be honest we do find that the majority of crews coming through security appear to "loose their voices", they seem to think its ok not to say please or thank you. Maybe it's because they think they are far superior.
When we do come across a chatty and friendly crew we do comment to each other about it, because it's rare.
Some collegues told me that they were on T2 when a BY crew came through and just totally blanked them,(no please or thank you) the captain noticed this and in aloud voice apologised for his rude and arrogant crew.
NOW THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN !!
Remember it cost nothing to be nice !!
To be honest we do find that the majority of crews coming through security appear to "loose their voices", they seem to think its ok not to say please or thank you. Maybe it's because they think they are far superior.
When we do come across a chatty and friendly crew we do comment to each other about it, because it's rare.
Some collegues told me that they were on T2 when a BY crew came through and just totally blanked them,(no please or thank you) the captain noticed this and in aloud voice apologised for his rude and arrogant crew.
NOW THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN !!
Remember it cost nothing to be nice !!
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I always say "good morning" or whatever to the people on security at Manchester. About 70% of the time, I get in return, a blank stare. Sometimes, I'm rewarded with a grunt. Just now and then, I find you get a civil reply. Still, I keep trying 
