Jeremy Clarkson in The Sunday Times
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One good point raised by Mr Clarkson was the contact from the Captain, i.e lack of it. Whatever you say about pax we must all remember to keep them informed whenever possible. There is nothing worse. A Captains voice over the PA is always soothing
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Isn't it amazing that a quote from England's answer to John McEnroe(mummy's little soldier)can generate so much response from a professional forum. Jeremy Motormouth is a spoilt brat who always winges when life isn't perfect for him. 
What a bunch of BOFs! JC is a gloriously non-PC chap who adores fast cars and aeroplanes. His piece about speed cameras and the tree-huggy North London 'sandalistas' was well written indeed.
I understand that both Top Gear on TV and Top Gear magazine are being re-formatted; I hope they return to traditional values!
Now I'm just off to burn lots more petrol, run over a few pedestrians, knock a few cyclists off their bikes and take the favourite local bends rather quicker than the local miseries would like........POOP POOP!!
Some of you probably think I'm being serious....
I understand that both Top Gear on TV and Top Gear magazine are being re-formatted; I hope they return to traditional values!
Now I'm just off to burn lots more petrol, run over a few pedestrians, knock a few cyclists off their bikes and take the favourite local bends rather quicker than the local miseries would like........POOP POOP!!
Some of you probably think I'm being serious....
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Hey Matt, That's a bit heavy for a "first" posting! The motormouth is generally an amusing author and it would be a very boring world if writers couldn't have the odd dig at professions. Everyone has a go here at beancounters, managers and SLF and I don't think we should be so delicate when someone has a light-hearted crack at us! Too many posts like yours, and we could become known as arrogant and prima donnas! (no change there, then!)
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so....that infamous jc wrote that piece ?
fantastic
the number of times he has pi**ed me off with his lack of any professionalism cannot be counted
did I write anything about it to anyone...no..because it ( he ) ain't worth it
I don't tolerate vindictive people though
jc...... let he who has not erred....etc etc
the capt. got it wrong, he should have said sorry ( though I doubt you could have done so )...but wind your spoilt neck in !!
fantastic
the number of times he has pi**ed me off with his lack of any professionalism cannot be counted
did I write anything about it to anyone...no..because it ( he ) ain't worth it
I don't tolerate vindictive people though
jc...... let he who has not erred....etc etc
the capt. got it wrong, he should have said sorry ( though I doubt you could have done so )...but wind your spoilt neck in !!
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What Jeremy Clarkson said was what any one of you would have said in the same situation. That is as a passenger who has little or no knowledge of what goes on at the sharp end (and why should you?) and having been kept waiting with no explanation in a foreign airport with little to do.
When the (tactless) explanation is given as the pilot being late due to the M11 how else would an ordinary passenger react? The subsequent lack of communication from the flight deck would only reinforce that opinion.
When the (tactless) explanation is given as the pilot being late due to the M11 how else would an ordinary passenger react? The subsequent lack of communication from the flight deck would only reinforce that opinion.
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well excuse me !!!!
never have I tried to pass myself as a literary master.
I say again....I don't tollerate vindictive people, and although jc had good reason to complain ( accepted in my last posting ) he went just a little too far.
Everyone cocks up at sometime. He( jc )is unaware of the reasons for someone being late to work and simply does not know the character that he has chosen to assassinate.
You BOTR are guilty of the same, so why don't you wind your neck in too, before your high stress levels suppress your superior
writing and self expresion skills !!!
well excuse me !!!!
never have I tried to pass myself as a literary master.
I say again....I don't tollerate vindictive people, and although jc had good reason to complain ( accepted in my last posting ) he went just a little too far.
Everyone cocks up at sometime. He( jc )is unaware of the reasons for someone being late to work and simply does not know the character that he has chosen to assassinate.
You BOTR are guilty of the same, so why don't you wind your neck in too, before your high stress levels suppress your superior
writing and self expresion skills !!!
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Surely the point is: is it acceptable to have a situation whereby in the event that one of your key personnel is unavoidably delayed, an entire planeload of passengers is held up for hours, with all the resultant knock-on effects. It does sound a bit amateurish.
People can tolerate delays when it is a matter of safety and a clear explanation is given. They understandably get highly frustrated when it is obvious that the cause of their suffering is plain old bad management.
People can tolerate delays when it is a matter of safety and a clear explanation is given. They understandably get highly frustrated when it is obvious that the cause of their suffering is plain old bad management.
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Oh, come on, you Clarkson lovers. He's only got one act and he's been living off it since he was hack on Autocar. He's about as funny as piles and he's as "gloriously non-pc" as the next jeans-and-cowboy-boots, bouffant-haired seventies refugee. To be accused of being po-faced for not laughing at the antics of this antedeluvian dunderhead is a gross insult, and probably actionable.
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Its got nothing to do with "one act". He had a legitimate reason to complain, and he had a very public forum in which to do it. Good on him I say. The more people that bitch the better our industry will respond to problems like these. Its time this industry provided the service that the public pay for.(and just because its low price doesn't mean bad service)!!!! 
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Gentlemen, in general, I couldn't agree more with your sentiments. Nobody likes to have his profession and professionalism questioned. However, I think that the majority of us agree that the neverending price war, as always, not only brings us cheaper services, but the inherent problems associated with trying to work with miniscule margins.
The Captain on this flight started out by being delayed travelling on the motorway. That always makes us happy before a night flight. Was he called out from standby or was it just traffic. Either way, have some sympathy. I'm sure that he didn't drop in somewhere for a Big Mac! A delay, a night flight, and probably having to endure the wrath of the outbound passengers as well as the Company.... great! And the same to look forward to on the return!
However, always be sympathetic to the passengers. We know what it's like to be left in the dark, and they are paying (albeit economically) for a service, so lets try to keep them informed, hopefully with the truth.
As for Mr. Clarkson. A well written story! And that is what it must be treated as. The trouble is that he has a wide and varied public, who, for them, his writing is gospel, and hr has portrayed our business in a bad light! (OK, I know!)
If possible, lets not give him any more opportunities.
The Captain on this flight started out by being delayed travelling on the motorway. That always makes us happy before a night flight. Was he called out from standby or was it just traffic. Either way, have some sympathy. I'm sure that he didn't drop in somewhere for a Big Mac! A delay, a night flight, and probably having to endure the wrath of the outbound passengers as well as the Company.... great! And the same to look forward to on the return!
However, always be sympathetic to the passengers. We know what it's like to be left in the dark, and they are paying (albeit economically) for a service, so lets try to keep them informed, hopefully with the truth.
As for Mr. Clarkson. A well written story! And that is what it must be treated as. The trouble is that he has a wide and varied public, who, for them, his writing is gospel, and hr has portrayed our business in a bad light! (OK, I know!)
If possible, lets not give him any more opportunities.
t'aint natural - JC was a hack on Performace Car not Autocar actually. His back page column was/is hilarious.
Ratings of Top Gear slumped after he left, he is a top paid columist in the The Sun and The Times, has his own BBC TV series, and is a self made multi millionaire family man.
JC also does more than the average amount of charity work but you never ever hear anything about that. I consider him to be a gentleman.
And you are...?
I thought JC's piece on his airline delay was fair enough. Just because *we* understand the technicalities of why it can easily happen doesn't mean the public will does.
WWW
Ratings of Top Gear slumped after he left, he is a top paid columist in the The Sun and The Times, has his own BBC TV series, and is a self made multi millionaire family man.
JC also does more than the average amount of charity work but you never ever hear anything about that. I consider him to be a gentleman.
And you are...?
I thought JC's piece on his airline delay was fair enough. Just because *we* understand the technicalities of why it can easily happen doesn't mean the public will does.
WWW
Controversial, moi?
Goodness me aren't we getting a teeny weeny bit serious here? I recently had my worst flight ever as a passenger with a normally very impressive scheduled carrier. It happens. Jeremy Clarkson is paid to entertain. If I didn't find him entertaining I wouldn't watch/read him. The same way I don't watch Graham Norton or Lily Savage. Others do, fine. He probably exaggerated but that is his style and it made me laugh.
Shouldn't we lighten up a little?
Why do people feel the need to use swear words with asterix when making a post? Surely the English language has enough suitable words use? Is it to look clever or is it indicative of ignorance?
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Shouldn't we lighten up a little?
Why do people feel the need to use swear words with asterix when making a post? Surely the English language has enough suitable words use? Is it to look clever or is it indicative of ignorance?
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It does seem a little strange that the pilot was late yet all the passengers seemed to make it on time. If the passengers made it up or down the M11 then you would have thought the crew could have.
As for JC. Well funny.
As for JC. Well funny.
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yeah i like jc too , can be hilarious , but .
according to the number one on the flight he had been drinking and refused to remove his hand luggage from an emergency exit. he also once said that he wouldnt name and shame someone because the individual didnt really have a way to reply to the allegation . Im sorry he didnt have a great flight , but , perhaps he could have been more honest and even handed in his criticism . he doesnt really sound like a great passenger .
according to the number one on the flight he had been drinking and refused to remove his hand luggage from an emergency exit. he also once said that he wouldnt name and shame someone because the individual didnt really have a way to reply to the allegation . Im sorry he didnt have a great flight , but , perhaps he could have been more honest and even handed in his criticism . he doesnt really sound like a great passenger .
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The use of swear words is not necessarily an indication of ignorance. In fact, it could be said that those who state this are unable to find any other means of 'putting down' and sensibly criticising anothers statements. It can be an attempt on their behalf to show themselves as a more intelligent being, one that has no need to lower themselves to such standards.
Get real...we all do it and sometimes it just feels good.
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The use of swear words is not necessarily an indication of ignorance. In fact, it could be said that those who state this are unable to find any other means of 'putting down' and sensibly criticising anothers statements. It can be an attempt on their behalf to show themselves as a more intelligent being, one that has no need to lower themselves to such standards.
Get real...we all do it and sometimes it just feels good.
Happy days