Gill ATR - so what did happen then??
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Yes, tilii, various details remain confidential, such as the identities of the crews in question.
As regards the F100 incident, yes, the CVR was inadvertently wiped, not by the flight crew, who took all precautions they could to preserve it. Unfortunately, therefore, the AAIB only had ATC tapes and the FDR in helping them to piece events together, plus interviews with all the crew and examination of the aircraft. What was said in that investigation, what was said to me and to Gill management remains confidential.
All relevant details that would assist in avoiding such an incident in future are contained within the AAIB report.
Beyond that, I will not assist any further pointless speculation, nor will I reveal anything that must remain confidential. I assume you agree that there is quite a lot about any incident/accident investigation that must remain privileged, if nothing else to protect innocent crews from the uninformed and uneducated prying of the gutter press.
As for the "incident" in the title of this thread, suffice it to say that our investigation is complete, the company have modified one or two procedures, and the crew involved are NOT the subject of any disciplinary procedures.
As regards the F100 incident, yes, the CVR was inadvertently wiped, not by the flight crew, who took all precautions they could to preserve it. Unfortunately, therefore, the AAIB only had ATC tapes and the FDR in helping them to piece events together, plus interviews with all the crew and examination of the aircraft. What was said in that investigation, what was said to me and to Gill management remains confidential.
All relevant details that would assist in avoiding such an incident in future are contained within the AAIB report.
Beyond that, I will not assist any further pointless speculation, nor will I reveal anything that must remain confidential. I assume you agree that there is quite a lot about any incident/accident investigation that must remain privileged, if nothing else to protect innocent crews from the uninformed and uneducated prying of the gutter press.
As for the "incident" in the title of this thread, suffice it to say that our investigation is complete, the company have modified one or two procedures, and the crew involved are NOT the subject of any disciplinary procedures.
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Well I never intended this to degenerate into a mud slinging match 
I have no axe to grind with the airline concerned.....was just bemused as to how a "Mayday" situation can clear itself so rapidly. In my experience, an engine failure (on anything with more than one engine!) results in a "Pan" call, followed by a landing ASAP.
I was also concerned that an engine failure on a multi-engined aircraft causing a "Mayday" call, implied that the aircraft cannot maintain flight on the other engine(s) and that is personally worrying as I fly in them fairly often!
I have no axe to grind with the airline concerned.....was just bemused as to how a "Mayday" situation can clear itself so rapidly. In my experience, an engine failure (on anything with more than one engine!) results in a "Pan" call, followed by a landing ASAP.
I was also concerned that an engine failure on a multi-engined aircraft causing a "Mayday" call, implied that the aircraft cannot maintain flight on the other engine(s) and that is personally worrying as I fly in them fairly often!
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Ben, whether any incident results in a Mayday or a Pan call, whether it calls for an immediate landing or not, are questions for the judgement of the Captain of the aircraft concerned. There are very few hard and fast rules. Any Captain's judgement may be called into question later, but, as we all know, hindsight is 20-20 vision. He is the man on the spot, and that's why he's paid what he is - to exercise judgement in the heat of the moment.
If you remain confused about the distinction between Pan and Mayday, perhaps it will help to look at them as the instant severity of the problem that a pilot faces. It is not relevant that a currently severe problem may later be cured and the flight safely continued.
I can imagine many scenarios in which I would want an immediate landing after making a Pan call, and continue after a Mayday.
Hope this helps.
If you remain confused about the distinction between Pan and Mayday, perhaps it will help to look at them as the instant severity of the problem that a pilot faces. It is not relevant that a currently severe problem may later be cured and the flight safely continued.
I can imagine many scenarios in which I would want an immediate landing after making a Pan call, and continue after a Mayday.
Hope this helps.
