NON UK PASSPORT HOLDERS SHOULD GO!
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forhorn, you're likely right that the US is over reacting to the possible threat of middle eastern pilots. However, it's somewhat understandable that the US might be a little sensitive. After all, did not four aircraft flown by middle eastern "pilots" do their level best to destroy human life in the US? Further, was this action not praised by the overwhelming majority of the residents of the middle east?(and by Muslims world wide). The US government would be stupid not to conduct a threat analysis in these circumstances. If any government doesn't wish to cooperate in this effort, no problem: Keep your aircraft outside US airspace. Perhaps in your view the UK should have been more cordial to the German pilots who visited in WW2. 
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Are your willys on the small side or what.
If they aren't then you wouldn't be so gutless as to have to hide in this forum and would say what have done in the open where you could be judged for what you are.
Are your willys on the small side or what.
If they aren't then you wouldn't be so gutless as to have to hide in this forum and would say what have done in the open where you could be judged for what you are.
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I am french, I am holding US certificates, and UK Certificates, which entitled me to ask, and to get a JAR certificate ..
I am presently flying a "N" Registered light twin all across Europe (not necessarily to EU members) My girlfriend is from asian origin, and work presently for a Swiss Airline ....I hate xenophobic ideas
Amazing no ?
I am presently flying a "N" Registered light twin all across Europe (not necessarily to EU members) My girlfriend is from asian origin, and work presently for a Swiss Airline ....I hate xenophobic ideas
Amazing no ?
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Here we go again...I rarely reply to this sort of verbal garbage but sometimes it is hard to hold your tongue.
Bavarian Boy must indeed be a sad little wannabe trying to make his way into a grown up world. When are you going to let go of this stupid idea someone has taken your job.
Yes there are Australians and Kiwis working here in the UK, as well as many other Nationalities,and we dont need your permission.
If you meet the imigration requirements ,as we do here then I invite you to go downunder and submit your CV to Quantas or VB. While you are there you may as well check out the regionals as well. If you have the required qualifications and prove to be the best candidate for the job I hope you enjoy a long and happy career. If not you may like to go and get some experience and then try again.
I find it very sad that space on this forum can be taken up by such rubbish and yet we cant use the same space to advertise our unwanted items.
Bavarian Boy must indeed be a sad little wannabe trying to make his way into a grown up world. When are you going to let go of this stupid idea someone has taken your job.
Yes there are Australians and Kiwis working here in the UK, as well as many other Nationalities,and we dont need your permission.
If you meet the imigration requirements ,as we do here then I invite you to go downunder and submit your CV to Quantas or VB. While you are there you may as well check out the regionals as well. If you have the required qualifications and prove to be the best candidate for the job I hope you enjoy a long and happy career. If not you may like to go and get some experience and then try again.
I find it very sad that space on this forum can be taken up by such rubbish and yet we cant use the same space to advertise our unwanted items.
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was this action not praised by the overwhelming majority of the residents of the middle east?(and by Muslims world wide).
Just a numbered other
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Of course the problem with getting a real education in yhe UK is choosing which of the many available foreign langusges to study. Our system gives us the choice of French or French. Not much use outside France.
In the rest of the world, the choice is English or English. Useful worldwide.
Of course the problem with getting a real education in yhe UK is choosing which of the many available foreign langusges to study. Our system gives us the choice of French or French. Not much use outside France.
In the rest of the world, the choice is English or English. Useful worldwide.
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And therefore you speak good French, Arkroyal? I hope so, to prove you took advantage of your educational opportunities.
My various nieces and nephews have been offered French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Latin, Greek (both modern and classical), Arabic and Chinese (both Mandarin and Cantonese).
Opportunities do not end at school, either. There are many ways to improve your abilities. Two that spring to mind immediately are night school classes and Linguaphone courses - that's how I've been teaching myself Dutch, for example.
Furthermore, French is of use in rather a lot more areas than France. How about Canada, Suriname, Senegal, Morocco, Tunisia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Guadeloupe, S. Maarten, Martinique...?
All in all, your post isn't much use, is it? Wrong on every count...
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: HugMonster ]
My various nieces and nephews have been offered French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Latin, Greek (both modern and classical), Arabic and Chinese (both Mandarin and Cantonese).
Opportunities do not end at school, either. There are many ways to improve your abilities. Two that spring to mind immediately are night school classes and Linguaphone courses - that's how I've been teaching myself Dutch, for example.
Furthermore, French is of use in rather a lot more areas than France. How about Canada, Suriname, Senegal, Morocco, Tunisia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Guadeloupe, S. Maarten, Martinique...?
All in all, your post isn't much use, is it? Wrong on every count...
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Arkroyal, see if you can get some facts right when you post!
Rest of the world is only offered English as a foreign language in school?
In my home country, kids from age 12 upwards can choose between German, English, French and Spainsh at school.
My own kids, living in a different country, can stll choose between English, French and German, or pick all 3 on top of their 2 mother tongues.
The world does NOT end at your national border man!
And anybody working in our industry should be amoong the first to realize that fact, instead of displaying the very ante-deluvian attitudes voiced by some on this thread.
Rest of the world is only offered English as a foreign language in school?
In my home country, kids from age 12 upwards can choose between German, English, French and Spainsh at school.
My own kids, living in a different country, can stll choose between English, French and German, or pick all 3 on top of their 2 mother tongues.
The world does NOT end at your national border man!
And anybody working in our industry should be amoong the first to realize that fact, instead of displaying the very ante-deluvian attitudes voiced by some on this thread.
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Well well well, obviously hit a raw nerve with some of you guys and gals.Glad to see so many responses though.
First of all, I am talking about the UK Govt possibly taking the same action as that of their US counterparts.
Secondly, I am not a wannabe or someone under threat of losing their job to a non EU passport holder, thankfully I am pretty safe in my company.
The point is that in the US they seem to be giving non US passport holders 12 months to either get citizenship or leave their flying jobs. The UK Govt may well do the same.
The fact is that I have heard this discussed in crewrooms up and down Europe, how there are significant numbers of nonEU pilots working in the UK and EU while there are suitably qualified EU pilots available.
My apologies if this offends you but the fact is that many other EU pilots think this is unfair. Why should it be allowed in the UK and Europe and not in the US?
It is just a topic for discussion and am glad to see all your responses.
Still in the long grass..... aghhhhh!!
First of all, I am talking about the UK Govt possibly taking the same action as that of their US counterparts.
Secondly, I am not a wannabe or someone under threat of losing their job to a non EU passport holder, thankfully I am pretty safe in my company.
The point is that in the US they seem to be giving non US passport holders 12 months to either get citizenship or leave their flying jobs. The UK Govt may well do the same.
The fact is that I have heard this discussed in crewrooms up and down Europe, how there are significant numbers of nonEU pilots working in the UK and EU while there are suitably qualified EU pilots available.
My apologies if this offends you but the fact is that many other EU pilots think this is unfair. Why should it be allowed in the UK and Europe and not in the US?
It is just a topic for discussion and am glad to see all your responses.
Still in the long grass..... aghhhhh!!
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What with a lot of the correspondents to this thread having apopletic fits at the thought of Britain taking a hard view at non E.U. pilot employment in the UK, it would be most interesting to find out whether they are E.U. nationals standing up against xenophobia, or, perhaps, Australian, New Zealand, or Canadian pilots working here voicing their opinions? Please let us know!
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At my airline, more than half of the pilots are Brits, several of them holding top positions, most of them not even trying to learn the native language. However I never heard any of the locals complain about the Brits taking their jobs away.
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'Ecky Thump!
What a load of Horses doovers!
A "few" FACTS
1, I applied for an ATC job in the Antipodes, and was told to "go away!", I couldn't 'afford' it??
2, If I apply for a post in "Greater" Europe, and am not a "Native Language speaker", I stand about as much chance as dating Madonna!
3, ANYONE can live and work in the UK,
BUT it is not true t'other way, unfortunately
I stand to be flamed/corrected
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
What a load of Horses doovers!
A "few" FACTS
1, I applied for an ATC job in the Antipodes, and was told to "go away!", I couldn't 'afford' it??
2, If I apply for a post in "Greater" Europe, and am not a "Native Language speaker", I stand about as much chance as dating Madonna!
3, ANYONE can live and work in the UK,
BUT it is not true t'other way, unfortunately
I stand to be flamed/corrected
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Tosh - good question! I suspect all their knees are joined together, as they all jerked at once at first mention of the 'x' word. Political Correctness usually goes hand in hand with naivety - they mean well, but will only understand the big picture as they grow older!
ArkRoyal - Agree fully. My Gujarati evening classes start next week.
BB - Got them going nicely! Ref your actual question, I'm not sure that non UK Passport holders should actually have to leave our shores. It would probably be legally difficult to remove someone from a job once they're contracted for a given time. The onus will be on UK employers when recruiting starts again. Of course, you can bet your life the dreaded 'R' word will then appear!
ArkRoyal - Agree fully. My Gujarati evening classes start next week.
BB - Got them going nicely! Ref your actual question, I'm not sure that non UK Passport holders should actually have to leave our shores. It would probably be legally difficult to remove someone from a job once they're contracted for a given time. The onus will be on UK employers when recruiting starts again. Of course, you can bet your life the dreaded 'R' word will then appear!