Pilot Locked Out of Cockpit.
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Pilot Locked Out of Cockpit.
A perhaps unexpected hazard of the new security regime, even allowing for newspaper hype?
"An Air Canada Jazz pilot who left the cockpit of his passenger jet to use a back washroom moments before landing found himself locked out upon his return, an airline official told AFP"
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....hvyo6b87.html
"An Air Canada Jazz pilot who left the cockpit of his passenger jet to use a back washroom moments before landing found himself locked out upon his return, an airline official told AFP"
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....hvyo6b87.html
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Article quoted as the visit to the head being "moments before landing" and then the 'opening' of the door "with only 30 minutes remaining in the flight".
Which one is it?
Perhaps there was a bit of row going on in the pointy end previous to the cap's vacating..... 
Which one is it?
No explanation for the door jam was given.
"It's a very rare occurrence," Stuart said. "To the best of our knowledge, it's the first time we've encountered this problem in-flight."
"It's a very rare occurrence," Stuart said. "To the best of our knowledge, it's the first time we've encountered this problem in-flight."
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The pilot of a Canadian airliner who went to the washroom during a flight found himself locked out of the cockpit, forcing the crew to remove the door from its hinges to let him back in, the airline said on Wednesday.
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A curious question about this incident. Was the door removed by the first officer inside the flight deck, or by the pilot and cabin crew on the other side? It's interesting from a security point of view in general, and specifically with regard to the Helios crash, where cabin crew allegedly could not enter the cockpit until the final moments of the flight.
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[QUOTE=big fraidy cat;2810333]Was the door removed by the first officer inside the flight deck, or by the pilot and cabin crew on the other side?/QUOTE]
Agree with that.
If it was the F/O then what would have happened if the autopilot dropped out while he was removing the door. What would he have done in the event of a TCAS warning?
If the SLF side then how easy is it for others to do the same in a hurry?
Agree with that.
If it was the F/O then what would have happened if the autopilot dropped out while he was removing the door. What would he have done in the event of a TCAS warning?
If the SLF side then how easy is it for others to do the same in a hurry?
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Better not tell the terrorists this wee trick!
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If it was the F/O then what would have happened if the autopilot dropped out while he was removing the door. What would he have done in the event of a TCAS warning?
I believe it is "SOP" in a number of airlines for the cabin crew to supplement the remaining crewmember whilst the comfort break is taken...
I find it hard to even get a response from the Cabin-call button these days. Too busy selling scratch cards and perfume to waste a few minutes in the flightdeck. If the SLF are second rate, where does it leave the Flightdeck?
Y'know, I'd Reeeeeeealy like to have a try on that door with the fireaxe. Just to see what it is like to try and get through. We use the tiny gap under the 757 door like the receiving end of a telex machine. Pieces of paper with "HELP! I Haven't had a cuppa for 2 hours!" get fed through. Then we sit and watch the spycam and see how long it takes before row 1 pax tell the C/S that it is there. Bugger-all else to do on a night Canaries flight.
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Is it not time that we got back to common sense? Statistically speaking what are the risks of cockpit incursion versus the pilot being able to get back in? I was astounded by the 100% stringent security stance recently, ie: no paperback books. I’m not sure what the terrorist stats are, my guess is what, 0.001% of flights? Probably less… C’mon guys, let’s see sense before it’s too late. It ain’t long now before a major incident, looking at this one.
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Originally Posted by blue up
We use the tiny gap under the 757 door like the receiving end of a telex machine. Pieces of paper with "HELP! I Haven't had a cuppa for 2 hours!" get fed through.
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If the crew can remove a secure door by taking off the hinges doesn't this defeat the whole purpose of it being there?
I agree that it's a pretty odd event worthy of further investigation.
* Now that I think of it, once upon a time I do recall seeing two FAs on an EMB-135. What was the name of that carrier? Oh, yeah, Varig. I wonder how that worked out for them?
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If the crew can remove a secure door by taking off the hinges doesn't this defeat the whole purpose of it being there?
I supposed that what they are talking about is the 'decompression panels' on the door. They can be removed , only from the inside of the cockpit of course, by pulling on the hinges at the end for example, to 'provide emergency egress path' according to our mannual.
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According to this link the co-jo was inside the cockpit with a f/a...
"in the event that the pilot was unable to access the cockpit, the First Officer is trained to land the aircraft." Oh, Really?
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Seems like it was opened from the other side of the cockpit in this instance though:
"The first officer had remained on the flight deck, but was unable to open the jammed door, forcing the crew to remove it from its hinges with only 30 minutes remaining in the flight from Ottawa to Winnipeg, she said."
"The first officer had remained on the flight deck, but was unable to open the jammed door, forcing the crew to remove it from its hinges with only 30 minutes remaining in the flight from Ottawa to Winnipeg, she said."