JEA CRJ fleet
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JEA CRJ fleet
Heard that JEA / British European are "80% sure" of disbanding the CRJ fleet with the expansion of the RJs.
I understand that the guys on permanant contracts will be brought across in seniority order but for the low seniority and "lifed" contracts things do not seem as rosy.
V v sad to hear of this in these supposed times of a pilot shortage.
I understand that the guys on permanant contracts will be brought across in seniority order but for the low seniority and "lifed" contracts things do not seem as rosy.
V v sad to hear of this in these supposed times of a pilot shortage.
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Seems the CRJ fleet ran a 2 million loss in 2000 and BE have plans for a severe fleet rationalisation.. too many types with too much cost on training etc!! only took them 2 years to realise. Feel sorry for CRJ drivers but at least there are jobs a plenty for jet drivers.
Who knows, especially with the CEO's departure today, things in EXT are very nervous with more resignations rumoured to follow very very soon.
Last one out don't forget to switch out the lights!!
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Gentleman, less haste more speed!
Who knows, especially with the CEO's departure today, things in EXT are very nervous with more resignations rumoured to follow very very soon.
Last one out don't forget to switch out the lights!!
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Gentleman, less haste more speed!
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Hmmm, let me see. Ignoring the CRJ's for a moment...
3x 146-100? But we only have 2 of them...
2 leased Dash 8s? Well, that would make sense as they were only short-term leases to cover until the Q400 comes on line.
The CRJs were acquired to operate AF routes that AF then reneged on. They were always going to struggle- BE would never have bought them for their own routes. Highly unsurprising to see them go...
3x 146-100? But we only have 2 of them...
2 leased Dash 8s? Well, that would make sense as they were only short-term leases to cover until the Q400 comes on line.
The CRJs were acquired to operate AF routes that AF then reneged on. They were always going to struggle- BE would never have bought them for their own routes. Highly unsurprising to see them go...
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Lets hope you are right Derbyram, but things will only get better if there are radical changes, I don't know of anyone who is happy at BE and their crews are nearly all actively seeking better employment.The word is that there will be another mass exodus like the one in '98.
The CRJ's have to be kept for three years under the deal struck with Bombardier originally but I believe EXT are trying to negotiate to swap them back in return for Q 400 dash's. They were for AF routes but funny enough AF changed their minds.
Two 146's are going to Aerospace under the RJX deal but management got rid of them early, I believe it to be AO and AM, but that may not be correct.
The CEO is believed to have been asked to jump before the inevitable push by the board due to poor financial performance and a few dodgy decisions, the rumour and i stress rumour is that more will follow and then progress in a rationalisation phase to stem losses could be made.
From my experience, BE crews on the whole were a great bunch to work with and their efforts, without reward, are what helped the company expand so much in the past. However there has been alot of despair at management decisions involving crew treatment recently and not much belief in company strategy, perhaps the Board sensed the same.With any luck jobs will be safe though if I were a contracter I would start looking for an alternative to fall back on.
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The CRJ's have to be kept for three years under the deal struck with Bombardier originally but I believe EXT are trying to negotiate to swap them back in return for Q 400 dash's. They were for AF routes but funny enough AF changed their minds.
Two 146's are going to Aerospace under the RJX deal but management got rid of them early, I believe it to be AO and AM, but that may not be correct.
The CEO is believed to have been asked to jump before the inevitable push by the board due to poor financial performance and a few dodgy decisions, the rumour and i stress rumour is that more will follow and then progress in a rationalisation phase to stem losses could be made.
From my experience, BE crews on the whole were a great bunch to work with and their efforts, without reward, are what helped the company expand so much in the past. However there has been alot of despair at management decisions involving crew treatment recently and not much belief in company strategy, perhaps the Board sensed the same.With any luck jobs will be safe though if I were a contracter I would start looking for an alternative to fall back on.
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Another point,
If the CRJ does go, which fleet do the crews get moved to?? if it is back to the Dash or even Q-400, do they maintain jet salaries or revert to turboprop salaries??
Heard a rumour this afternoon that those who came from the dash shall return there while those who swapped from the 146 shall return there. As for the direct entry guys..... Maersk i suppose. C.V's a flying out again, everyone with enough "time" is trying to escape!!Lets just hope this is not the beginning of the end as it would be bad news not just for all at BE but industry wide.
Good luck to all, as someone once said, "if you want a guarantee, buy a toaster, if you want loyalty, buy a dog!!"
If the CRJ does go, which fleet do the crews get moved to?? if it is back to the Dash or even Q-400, do they maintain jet salaries or revert to turboprop salaries??
Heard a rumour this afternoon that those who came from the dash shall return there while those who swapped from the 146 shall return there. As for the direct entry guys..... Maersk i suppose. C.V's a flying out again, everyone with enough "time" is trying to escape!!Lets just hope this is not the beginning of the end as it would be bad news not just for all at BE but industry wide.
Good luck to all, as someone once said, "if you want a guarantee, buy a toaster, if you want loyalty, buy a dog!!"
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Raw Data - any comment? Any comment on the 146 being pulled out of Aberdeen? Any comment about an entire Scottish base's worth of pilots applying for Easyjet? What was that you said on these very pages about a month ago about how c**p the 737 was?
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Yes, I have plenty to say, but not on a public forum. Very disappointed that some of my colleagues appear unable to contain themselves. Not particularly professional in my view.
I have never said that the 737 is c**p- it is a great aircraft. However, it can't do stuff the 146 can do (no surprise, it isn't designed to), and it has had some serious, occasionally unresolved safety issues. Those two topics are the only ones I have discussed in relation to 737s. For what it's worth, I spent a bit of time flying a 737 some time back, and really enjoyed the experience.
I have never said that the 737 is c**p- it is a great aircraft. However, it can't do stuff the 146 can do (no surprise, it isn't designed to), and it has had some serious, occasionally unresolved safety issues. Those two topics are the only ones I have discussed in relation to 737s. For what it's worth, I spent a bit of time flying a 737 some time back, and really enjoyed the experience.
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Maybe a more dicussions might happen on the company forum if more people were allowed on it. I know of several people that have applied for access only to be told that as they aren't pilots they don't need to view it and can't make constructive points!
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And that is complete nonsense. The private forum is open to ANY BE employee, and as I am the moderator, I can tell you that flight deck make up about 60% of the membership, cabin crew about 10%, the rest are from all parts of the company, including directors and managers. It has ALWAYS been so.
I can also confirm that no current BE employee has ever been refused the password, no post has ever been edited or removed by me, and anyone who feels hard done by should contact me for the password.
Kindly get your facts right next time, gecko. You aren't even in the ballpark.
I can also confirm that no current BE employee has ever been refused the password, no post has ever been edited or removed by me, and anyone who feels hard done by should contact me for the password.
Kindly get your facts right next time, gecko. You aren't even in the ballpark.
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Raw Data,
what is wrong, scared the public realise the state BE is in?? At least the current Trustees seem to have the B##ls to make changes and admit that things need to change.The major reason some don't like the company forum is that it could lead to retribution from EXT if you speak your mind... maybe not but from friends and former collegues who are there that is what they feel.
Barcode, I also heard loads of applications to Easy, both in Scotland and N.I. mind you the company may well hope some leave to ease their burden!!
As I stated b4, hope all goes well for the crews, they deserve better than they ever got so far!!
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what is wrong, scared the public realise the state BE is in?? At least the current Trustees seem to have the B##ls to make changes and admit that things need to change.The major reason some don't like the company forum is that it could lead to retribution from EXT if you speak your mind... maybe not but from friends and former collegues who are there that is what they feel.
Barcode, I also heard loads of applications to Easy, both in Scotland and N.I. mind you the company may well hope some leave to ease their burden!!
As I stated b4, hope all goes well for the crews, they deserve better than they ever got so far!!
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As an'escapee'from JEA it is with great interest that I follow recent events. Who knows what may happen with the departure of the CEO, and with rumours of more resignations and possibly a fleet rationalisation this may bode well for my friends who still linger there. I hope that the 'CEO designate' will take firm steps to improve such areas as crew rest, you never know, with a few hours rest in them the morale might pick up too.
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BavarianBoy, as usual you are wide of the mark.
BE continues to be in a much healthier state than most of its competitors. Mind you, I wouldn't expect you to recognise that as you clearly have an "anti-BE" agenda. Reading your posts, it is very clear that most of what you say is either deliberately misleading, or at best a half-truth. Some of it is not true at all.
For example, there are no "resignations rumour to follow very very soon". There is no "severe fleet rationalisation", the fleet size will be bigger in two years than it is now. Whilst you may not know anybody who is "happy at BE", I know plenty who fit that description- especially those who have worked for the competition. You say "two 146's (sic) are going to Aerospace under the RJX deal", but in fact ALL the -100 and -200 146s are going back under that deal (and being replaced with RJXs). AO and AM are still flyng the line. We have 12 RJX orders in- now, how many -200 and -300 aircraft do we have? You should know, being so knowledgeable about BE... (for everbody else, our aircraft numbers will be higher at the completion of the RJX acquisition).
Very, very few CEOs go willingly, as you should know. The reasons are not primarily the ones you gave either. To say that "there has been a lot of despair at management decisions involving crew treatment recently" is completely misleading, as only a tiny minority of crew feel that way. By the way, crew numbers will probably rise with the introduction of the Q400 and RJX- one of the proud records of BE is that they have NEVER made crews redundant (which, again, is more than can be said for most of their competitors). Finally, as any vaguely competent analyst could tell you, it is not the "beginning of the end", rather the end of the beginning.
If you can't understand a simple concept like keeping company business on the company forum, then you also won't understand that there can be NO retribution from EXT over private forum posts- anonymity being guaranteed. Thought you knew that.
If you must take a poke at BE, do try and verify your information before typing...
BE continues to be in a much healthier state than most of its competitors. Mind you, I wouldn't expect you to recognise that as you clearly have an "anti-BE" agenda. Reading your posts, it is very clear that most of what you say is either deliberately misleading, or at best a half-truth. Some of it is not true at all.
For example, there are no "resignations rumour to follow very very soon". There is no "severe fleet rationalisation", the fleet size will be bigger in two years than it is now. Whilst you may not know anybody who is "happy at BE", I know plenty who fit that description- especially those who have worked for the competition. You say "two 146's (sic) are going to Aerospace under the RJX deal", but in fact ALL the -100 and -200 146s are going back under that deal (and being replaced with RJXs). AO and AM are still flyng the line. We have 12 RJX orders in- now, how many -200 and -300 aircraft do we have? You should know, being so knowledgeable about BE... (for everbody else, our aircraft numbers will be higher at the completion of the RJX acquisition).
Very, very few CEOs go willingly, as you should know. The reasons are not primarily the ones you gave either. To say that "there has been a lot of despair at management decisions involving crew treatment recently" is completely misleading, as only a tiny minority of crew feel that way. By the way, crew numbers will probably rise with the introduction of the Q400 and RJX- one of the proud records of BE is that they have NEVER made crews redundant (which, again, is more than can be said for most of their competitors). Finally, as any vaguely competent analyst could tell you, it is not the "beginning of the end", rather the end of the beginning.
If you can't understand a simple concept like keeping company business on the company forum, then you also won't understand that there can be NO retribution from EXT over private forum posts- anonymity being guaranteed. Thought you knew that.
If you must take a poke at BE, do try and verify your information before typing...