Iberia on strike
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Well, then I have to defend them. I´m not an Ibiria Pilot and I´m not spanish (just Lufthansa and german 
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As our union (german VC) has prepared a benchmark of european pilot sallaries last year, I can tell you the following: They are NOT the best paid! They are average in an european comparison.
Their conditions are great!! Hope they can maintain..
They are striking for 12% more pay.
Big and various fleets, thats true. According to a frind of mine, copilot with Ibiria, they are working on it, a lot of fleets are being closed down the following years.
Don´t mistake "Air europe" with the "mother" Iberia. I´m not 100% sure, but all the smaller types are operated by domestic carriers in Ibiria colours on behalf of Iberia.
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Just some facts to cool down the thread.
Regards
Charly
).As our union (german VC) has prepared a benchmark of european pilot sallaries last year, I can tell you the following: They are NOT the best paid! They are average in an european comparison.
Their conditions are great!! Hope they can maintain..
They are striking for 12% more pay.
Big and various fleets, thats true. According to a frind of mine, copilot with Ibiria, they are working on it, a lot of fleets are being closed down the following years.
Don´t mistake "Air europe" with the "mother" Iberia. I´m not 100% sure, but all the smaller types are operated by domestic carriers in Ibiria colours on behalf of Iberia.
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Just some facts to cool down the thread.
Regards
Charly
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i am a spanish pilot but i don't work for iberia.
Drag can you understnad this " no tienes ni idea callate la boca". well until i don't speak other languages i would keep my mouth closed. i can't believe how arrogant you are.
Second . if no iberia pilots reply is because there are hundreds of forums and lots of them in spanish.How many of you have you been in a spanish forum? Until you do it please don't make silly comments.
Finally, don't judge other people like that , may be tomorrow you can be in the same situation
Drag can you understnad this " no tienes ni idea callate la boca". well until i don't speak other languages i would keep my mouth closed. i can't believe how arrogant you are.
Second . if no iberia pilots reply is because there are hundreds of forums and lots of them in spanish.How many of you have you been in a spanish forum? Until you do it please don't make silly comments.
Finally, don't judge other people like that , may be tomorrow you can be in the same situation
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The same names seem to crop up regularly when a hatchet job is being cooked up against any particular pilot group, don't they?
Secret Squirrel for instance recently had a field day putting the boot into ALT pilots (along with a few COMPatriots).
Whats the motivation? Who knows. But it seems peculiarily vindictive and guided by ulterior motives.
It's a fine thing to dress your self up as 'the great free market avenger' I guess. Might make some folk feel big and important.
but I'd bet the same guys would look for sympathy here when they feel they have a case to argue. Or maybe they feel they don't give a damn for others opinions or assistance...being a free market avenger means having to bite the bullet when it's your own turn, doesn't it?
As to the Iberia pilots remaining silent. Well, I guess it's like the CX guys who've exited this forum en masse. Whats the point of blowing a lot of hot air with the free market avengers, and the mischevious malcontents? Absolutely none. Waste of time.
This BB is OK for the little things, like having a nark about your rostering, or finding out where's the latest job offer, but when it comes down to serious business, like fighting for your future...it's nothing but a distraction, and likely to be pejudiced and negative in it's response...particularily if the vocal minority (the free market avenger types) decide they want to put the boot in.
I don't know if whats been said about Iberia is true, nor do I really care. They are fellow members of IFALPA, and if they need my support they are welcome to it. I'd expect the same from them. Those of you with axes to grind are obviously not related to IFALPA...and probably aren't in any form of professional association. That's your choice...the free market avengers among will probably have a fit over the suggestion that such a path might be a wise one. But then, they are probably happy campers anyhow...wherever they are.
This is a Rumour Network (it says in the title). Don't get worked up if no-one but you takes it any more seriously than just exactly that.
Secret Squirrel for instance recently had a field day putting the boot into ALT pilots (along with a few COMPatriots).
Whats the motivation? Who knows. But it seems peculiarily vindictive and guided by ulterior motives.
It's a fine thing to dress your self up as 'the great free market avenger' I guess. Might make some folk feel big and important.
but I'd bet the same guys would look for sympathy here when they feel they have a case to argue. Or maybe they feel they don't give a damn for others opinions or assistance...being a free market avenger means having to bite the bullet when it's your own turn, doesn't it?
As to the Iberia pilots remaining silent. Well, I guess it's like the CX guys who've exited this forum en masse. Whats the point of blowing a lot of hot air with the free market avengers, and the mischevious malcontents? Absolutely none. Waste of time.
This BB is OK for the little things, like having a nark about your rostering, or finding out where's the latest job offer, but when it comes down to serious business, like fighting for your future...it's nothing but a distraction, and likely to be pejudiced and negative in it's response...particularily if the vocal minority (the free market avenger types) decide they want to put the boot in.
I don't know if whats been said about Iberia is true, nor do I really care. They are fellow members of IFALPA, and if they need my support they are welcome to it. I'd expect the same from them. Those of you with axes to grind are obviously not related to IFALPA...and probably aren't in any form of professional association. That's your choice...the free market avengers among will probably have a fit over the suggestion that such a path might be a wise one. But then, they are probably happy campers anyhow...wherever they are.
This is a Rumour Network (it says in the title). Don't get worked up if no-one but you takes it any more seriously than just exactly that.
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Capt Sensible,
I agree with you 100%, let us show these people some professional support.
In any case, from a selfish point of view, if the Iberian Pilots are taking industrial action to improve their T & C's (however good they are 'percieved' to be right now) then we all can possibly benefit in the long run in the 'benchmarking' process that will inevitably form part of the negotiating process of any other European airline.
Secret Squirrel please take note of the above as BALPA are 'benchmarking' all operators and you personally could benefit significantly as a result. Hopefully I will see you at tomorrow night's LGW BALPA members meeting!
Regards
Exeng
I agree with you 100%, let us show these people some professional support.
In any case, from a selfish point of view, if the Iberian Pilots are taking industrial action to improve their T & C's (however good they are 'percieved' to be right now) then we all can possibly benefit in the long run in the 'benchmarking' process that will inevitably form part of the negotiating process of any other European airline.
Secret Squirrel please take note of the above as BALPA are 'benchmarking' all operators and you personally could benefit significantly as a result. Hopefully I will see you at tomorrow night's LGW BALPA members meeting!
Regards
Exeng
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New meeting scheduled for today between company and union representatives. Company has issued a note warning that the new offer to be presented will not be as good as previous but that they feel preety optimistic about reaching an agreement.
It will be interesting to see how the company pulls this one thru. Guess they were not present at the last pilot meeting
And yes... lets show IB fellow pilots the same kind of support we would seek for our own cause
Rgds
CM
It will be interesting to see how the company pulls this one thru. Guess they were not present at the last pilot meeting
And yes... lets show IB fellow pilots the same kind of support we would seek for our own cause
Rgds
CM
