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Old 15th May 2001, 01:03
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JAR subpart Q - FTDT limits was thrown out years ago by EU unions and the ECA who among other things threatened to take the EU to every court in Europe if they attempted to allow EU law to be made by non-EU people. Remember that the JAA is an unelected body that has no standing in EU law. So where does that leave the rest of the JAR's?
 
Old 15th May 2001, 12:48
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Xfeedclsd,
there are other issues at stake,like the competition ones.As an European AOC holder I would certainly prefer to set the shop up in,say Italy and than operate in the whole EU,even intra,say UK(in theory).In the reality the oposite is true:like a non Italian AOC holder operating intra Italy flights(NJI).
So the panEU FTL issue has been given to the EU commission to resolve(by a way of a proposal to be adopted by the EU parliament).Hence my comment above.
Proud to be European.
 
Old 15th May 2001, 13:52
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Is it true that under UK FTL everything goes back to zero every thusday morning at 2am?
 
Old 20th May 2001, 18:45
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At 2am on a Thursday morning? It all goes back to zero here in Italy after each flight. We should all be joining ANPAC in my opinion.
 
Old 21st May 2001, 09:40
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No point at all in getting an EEC law on this issue. All this would mean is that the UK would implement it fully while the rest of Europe ignores it if it is not in their own interest. This, as in everything else concerning EEC law, would put the UK on the back of the drag curve yet again when dealing with the rest of Europe and the world at large.

A cynical Doc C.
 
Old 21st May 2001, 14:21
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Keeping all European Wings down for 2 hrs with fingerpointing on the "Intentionally Left Blank" Subpart Q Pages would work within two minutes, guys !

What are we waiting for ?
 
Old 22nd May 2001, 00:47
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On my knowledge, at one of the several meetings which took place in the past about the FTL when all the participants (Authorities, Airline operators and Pilots Associations) almost came to an agreement. But the rumor says that the Pilot Associations (BALPA...) refused to agree, in order to have the last word on the Airline disputes about the contracts.
What do you say about that?

[This message has been edited by Lenny (edited 21 May 2001).]
 
Old 22nd May 2001, 04:58
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Seems that the new italian FTL for a 2 men crew is:
8 hrs flight time and 13 hrs duty (for short and medium haul).
 
Old 22nd May 2001, 07:09
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Tarjet,
is it confirmed or only a rumour?
 
Old 22nd May 2001, 19:12
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That is true for the short haul, but still no change in the long haul limitations.
 
Old 22nd May 2001, 19:41
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......and we are still doing 13 hours flight time and 17 hours duty with a two man crew.
 
Old 26th May 2001, 10:03
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Even 13 hours with Cindy Crawford in a bed
would be too long, you would still need a break.How do you manage guys!?
 
Old 28th May 2001, 00:26
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Look down
We donīt....
 
Old 28th May 2001, 09:44
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It is very difficult keeping your eyes open at about 40W so all you can do is sleep otherwise you are to cream crackered for the important bit of putting the aircraft back on the ground at the other end.

sshhh dont tell the passengers the crew are asleep !!!!
 
Old 29th May 2001, 21:39
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Just spoke with a AZ pilot and he confirmed the 8-13 rule for short and medium haul ops.
Dunno if it has been implemented by other airlines as well but i would guess that when it becomes mandatory they will have to...i hope at least.
 

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