Emirates B777 of the runway in Singapore
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A couple of years back, I had the particular good luck to be in the jump seat of an Iberia MD-80 in Madrid when the captain rejected the take-off at 80 knots. His ASI didn't kick-in so it was no way Jose and by jaysus did we stop fast.
Quite an adrenaline buzz in the cockpit that day. Skipper told me he had been flying jets 30 years and he never had to reject a T/O.
Quite an adrenaline buzz in the cockpit that day. Skipper told me he had been flying jets 30 years and he never had to reject a T/O.
Originally Posted by A330ETOPS
Even before landing in Changi from DXB, we had to go around! first time i've experienced that aswel!
Are you saying that you were onboard two separate aircraft both operated by Emirates into and out of Changi.
DXB-SIN
and SIN-BNE
With the landing resulting in a go-around and a takeoff resulting in a highspeed abort?
If so I certainly wouldn't want you onboard any of my flights
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So let me get this straight, the aircraft didn't end up "of(f) the runway" but taxied clear of the active after a high speed RTO. "Off the runway" carries the connototion that it lost control and ended up in the rough, like Qantas in Bangkok or Air France in Toronto. Am I right that that wasn't the case here? If so, a very misleading heading.
Standing by for many words of wisdom from 'Streamline' on what the crew should have done and how he would have done it infinitely better ans how their training was obviously deficient and how he warned EK this very incident would occur.
Standing by for many words of wisdom from 'Streamline' on what the crew should have done and how he would have done it infinitely better ans how their training was obviously deficient and how he warned EK this very incident would occur.
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People, please remember that go-rounds are generally not anything special. Quite often just means the ATC doesn't have the required runway separation standard eg busy day, trying to squeeze out as many departures as possible and someone rolls a little slower than expected meaning they haven't rotated by the time the arrival will cross the threshold.
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Thats no real problem stopping, RogerIrrelevant69.....
During a takeoff at the "olden-but-golden" runway at HongKong some years ago in a B742 freighter, the ASI didn't register anything at the 80 knots call, so the takeoff was rejected at that point.
Thats a low speed abort, and the runway is long, so we only used idle reverse thrust, to get us to and off the runway at the first available high-speed exit.
Replaced the ASI and we were off again to Japan, only about 90 minutes late, good job all round!
Thats when those revampted and converted B742's with those great GE engines were only newly in service with AHK, a matter of months.
Thats the only abort outside the OFT I've ever experienced!
Cheers, FD
During a takeoff at the "olden-but-golden" runway at HongKong some years ago in a B742 freighter, the ASI didn't register anything at the 80 knots call, so the takeoff was rejected at that point.
Thats a low speed abort, and the runway is long, so we only used idle reverse thrust, to get us to and off the runway at the first available high-speed exit.
Replaced the ASI and we were off again to Japan, only about 90 minutes late, good job all round!
Thats when those revampted and converted B742's with those great GE engines were only newly in service with AHK, a matter of months.
Thats the only abort outside the OFT I've ever experienced!
Cheers, FD
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Originally Posted by RogerIrrelevant69
Quite an adrenaline buzz in the cockpit that day. Skipper told me he had been flying jets 30 years and he never had to reject a T/O.
Am I right?
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Thanks Lax, I fly a 747 400, yes, I try to mentally rehearse the "STOP!" as we roll on every take off, but it does help that we practice in the simulator every 6 months too, as do all airline guys.
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Originally Posted by A330ETOPS
Our first flight was into Singapore which had to go around, then i stayed in Singapore for 2 days until my onward journey which had an rto
I wonder what the statistical probability is of experiencing an aborted take-off and a go-around in two consecutive flights?
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Quite often just means the ATC doesn't have the required runway separation standard eg busy day, trying to squeeze out as many departures as possible and someone rolls a little slower than expected meaning they haven't rotated by the time the arrival will cross the threshold.
If something like this happens in South Africa, the ATC is suspended immediately (guilty) because somehow/someway he made a mistake and must be punished!!! Poor suckers!!
This morning had Air France landing with wet slippery runway(with high speed exits), bit of a cross wind but he slowed enough to exit the next taxiway 400m ahead(30yrs of judgement) and came to a basic halt on the runwat before turning off. When told to expidite,(other traffic 2nms behind, 4 at the holding point and 3 more 7nm appart on final) he started mouning ..very heavy....and that he should have vacated at the end(4000m runway). I think this is and excelent example of professionalism?? Landing clearance given eventually 1nm final!!
Sometimes ATC's must have hair on their teeth to handle these situations...trying to accommodate everyone with minimum delay.
Just wanted to moun a little. SRY
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If something like this happens in South Africa, the ATC is suspended immediately (guilty) because somehow/someway he made a mistake and must be punished!!! Poor suckers!!
This morning had Air France landing with wet slippery runway(with high speed exits), bit of a cross wind but he slowed enough to exit the next taxiway 400m ahead(30yrs of judgement) and came to a basic halt on the runwat before turning off. When told to expidite,(other traffic 2nms behind, 4 at the holding point and 3 more 7nm appart on final) he started mouning ..very heavy....and that he should have vacated at the end(4000m runway). I think this is and excelent example of professionalism?? Landing clearance given eventually 1nm final!!
Sometimes ATC's must have hair on their teeth to handle these situations...trying to accommodate everyone with minimum delay.
Just wanted to moun a little. SRY
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May I make a plea for posts to be written clearly?
Or am I the only one who has not a clue what Radioexcel is trying to say in his post?
And I believe Jambo B meant to say that "2/3 of all RTO's are unnecessary".
I try to learn something from PPrune but it sure isn't easy sometimes.
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Or am I the only one who has not a clue what Radioexcel is trying to say in his post?
And I believe Jambo B meant to say that "2/3 of all RTO's are unnecessary".
I try to learn something from PPrune but it sure isn't easy sometimes.
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I thought they were fairly clear.
Radioexcel is making the point that sitting on the runway is neither the time nor the place to be complaining about being asked to expedite, get off the runway then moan (if you must!)
Jambo said that 2/3 of RTO's which resulted in an overrun should have been airborne. Don't know if that's correct or not but seemed fairly clear.
Please bear in mind that English may not always be the posters first language either.
Radioexcel is making the point that sitting on the runway is neither the time nor the place to be complaining about being asked to expedite, get off the runway then moan (if you must!)
Jambo said that 2/3 of RTO's which resulted in an overrun should have been airborne. Don't know if that's correct or not but seemed fairly clear.
Please bear in mind that English may not always be the posters first language either.
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Strepsils,
Good for you that you managed to decipher Radioexcel's post. I took "mouning" to be "moving" and couldn't understand the reference to "very heavy". Then he wrote "I think this and excelent example of professionalism???" Huh? Does he or doesn't he? If you're right, he does not. Do you understand his next sentence beginning "Landing clearance.."? I don't.
We agree on the interpretation of Jambo B's post.
Whether or not English is the contributor's first language has little to do with my complaint. The clearest English is always the simplest English. (As it happens, English is not, strictly speaking, my first language, either).
Anyway, I've had my say and won't belabour the point. Thanks for your interest, Strepsils. Happy landings.
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Good for you that you managed to decipher Radioexcel's post. I took "mouning" to be "moving" and couldn't understand the reference to "very heavy". Then he wrote "I think this and excelent example of professionalism???" Huh? Does he or doesn't he? If you're right, he does not. Do you understand his next sentence beginning "Landing clearance.."? I don't.
We agree on the interpretation of Jambo B's post.
Whether or not English is the contributor's first language has little to do with my complaint. The clearest English is always the simplest English. (As it happens, English is not, strictly speaking, my first language, either).
Anyway, I've had my say and won't belabour the point. Thanks for your interest, Strepsils. Happy landings.
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quote by strepsils: Radioexcel is making the point that sitting on the runway is neither the time nor the place to be complaining about being asked to expedite, get off the runway then moan (if you must!)
sitting on the runway nobody should be urged to expedite. if the remaining on the rwy was too long, atc can complain once off the rwy. when cleared to land it's your rwy and your airspace to ga if necessary. no unnecessary distraction should occur, as you never know (and you goddam don't feel on the scarebus) if your collegue lands long, crabbed etc. etc.. to rectify situations like that you don't need additional distractions like "i sure would appreeeciaate if you'd leave at the first high speed, traffic already on touch-down...". who will be accountable for a overrun or missing the twy????
in jepps or notams there are indications as how to plan landings and twy's. i agree everybody should try to comply, or get a blame (later), but stop distracting guys during the most difficult phases.
ttn
sitting on the runway nobody should be urged to expedite. if the remaining on the rwy was too long, atc can complain once off the rwy. when cleared to land it's your rwy and your airspace to ga if necessary. no unnecessary distraction should occur, as you never know (and you goddam don't feel on the scarebus) if your collegue lands long, crabbed etc. etc.. to rectify situations like that you don't need additional distractions like "i sure would appreeeciaate if you'd leave at the first high speed, traffic already on touch-down...". who will be accountable for a overrun or missing the twy????
in jepps or notams there are indications as how to plan landings and twy's. i agree everybody should try to comply, or get a blame (later), but stop distracting guys during the most difficult phases.
ttn
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Turtleneck -
I think this is the crux of the matter. You're right, you don't need any distractions when landing, but once you've slowed to taxy speed (or seemingly in this case, slower) you're just blocking the runway. That's not professional. Runway occupancy times should be kept to a minimum. Try this at Heathrow and you would not be popular.
Rockhound - Just to be clear, I wasn't having a pop at you, and quite often I totally agree with you! I also sympathise if English isn't your first language, you're having to translate these posts twice!
When radioexcel said
I noticed the question mark on the end, which I assumed to indicate sarcasm, i.e. I think this and excelent example of professionalism, NOT!
His next sentence I think was commenting on the fact that he wan't able to pass landing clearance to the next A/C until he was 1 mile from T/D, due to the Air France hold up.
and came to a basic halt on the runwat before turning off
Rockhound - Just to be clear, I wasn't having a pop at you, and quite often I totally agree with you! I also sympathise if English isn't your first language, you're having to translate these posts twice!
When radioexcel said
I think this and excelent example of professionalism?
His next sentence I think was commenting on the fact that he wan't able to pass landing clearance to the next A/C until he was 1 mile from T/D, due to the Air France hold up.