A/C off the runway in CPH

[freddyfokker]

Re: A/C off the runway in CPH

I work for a large european operator.

In our manual in the absence of reliable breaking action we have a clear guide in which we can assume braking action.

eg: dry runway, wet runway with otherwise good conditions = good
moderate heavy rain on clear runway or ice, snow on sanded runway = medium
all other = poor.

So if the braking action is unreliable and any other contaminents are within the aircraft performance i can land.

Why should an airport close just because ther is no blacktop. As hapened recently. they would not let anyone operate.

So when it is a dark night and there is a tiny bit of ice or snow lets say 2mm calm winds and braking action we will assume is poor, I should be at least be able to excerice my judgement within the guidelines of my opeartor and the aircraft manufacturer to decide whether to land or not. WE can land on braking action poor, under strict limits.

It is , in my view, unacceptabale for an airport to then close until blacktop is reached. This has the potential of undermining the entire flight planning process.

If uk airports are going to adopt this closure of airports until the can guarentee braking action good then please issue a warning to all operators world wide that a non uk diversion must be planned in winter ops. As only then may you be allowed to land.

This must get sorted.

[safetypee]

Re: A/C off the runway in CPH

Originally Posted by freddyfokker

It is, in my view, unacceptabale for an airport to then close until blacktop is reached. This has the potential of undermining the entire flight planning process.

It would be better for an airport to close rather than have someone off the end and shut the runway in that way. At least with contamination it might be cleared in an hour, but an aircraft in the mud, or worse still an accident site might take days to sort out.

[Short Approach?]

Re: A/C off the runway in CPH

Originally Posted by safetypee

It would be better for an airport to close rather than have someone off the end and shut the runway in that way. At least with contamination it might be cleared in an hour, but an aircraft in the mud, or worse still an accident site might take days to sort out.

Complete rubbish!

We are taking initiative away from the person who is really in charge.


Ultimately it's a matter of declaring an emergency then, if you want to land in England during winter-contamination then.

[Dash-7 lover]

Re: A/C off the runway in CPH

Having read the original post - any idea on the aircraft or owner???

[Short Approach?]

Re: A/C off the runway in CPH

Originally Posted by Dash-7 lover

Having read the original post - any idea on the aircraft or owner???

There was no A/C of the tarmac that night, as you would have found reading a bit further on.

[OVERTALK]

Stopping techniques - for contaminated runways

See also this thread on the subject of stopping techniques that are very appropriate for contaminated runways:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204897

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