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BEHIND THE SECOND MIDLAND
"it does not stop GB expanding in BA colours, although many think it should"
Well you just identified the reason why I asked the first question.
What cozy little deal is being negotiated without the GB pilots at the meeting. It might have been SCOPE, it might not, but without pilot representation how do we know.
Well you just identified the reason why I asked the first question.
What cozy little deal is being negotiated without the GB pilots at the meeting. It might have been SCOPE, it might not, but without pilot representation how do we know.
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Many** think it should but have no power to stop it as franchises are not covered by scope.
** most of the ex regional pilots who have been forced to LHR will not want to see their former routes operated by anyone but themselves.
However they and the BACC are powerless under current agreements to stop it. If BA allow the route under franchise that is it.
Bur just so you can get your facts right in subsequent posts scope does not apply to franchise airlines.
** most of the ex regional pilots who have been forced to LHR will not want to see their former routes operated by anyone but themselves.
However they and the BACC are powerless under current agreements to stop it. If BA allow the route under franchise that is it.
Bur just so you can get your facts right in subsequent posts scope does not apply to franchise airlines.
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I hear GB pilots work to 770 hours PA, and I think the new boss is keen to work the pilots harder to 900 hours.
I think GB pilots are about to get shafted, in a rather large way
I think GB pilots are about to get shafted, in a rather large way
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Actually, pilots work to a maximum of 775 hrs. Any extra is on a voluntary basis and is paid at overtime rates.
The new manager might well be keen to get more compulsory hours/extra hours without overtime, but he won't be getting it. The pilots, who are mainly Balpa, already do fair work for fair pay and the management know that 775 is the absolute limit - the subject has been tested on a number of occasions in the past.
So the pilots will not be 'getting shafted in a rather large way.' T he company will continue to get a loyal and committed professional pilot force working up to 775 hours for fair pay, trying to make sure that the company franchise with BA is a success.
The new manager might well be keen to get more compulsory hours/extra hours without overtime, but he won't be getting it. The pilots, who are mainly Balpa, already do fair work for fair pay and the management know that 775 is the absolute limit - the subject has been tested on a number of occasions in the past.
So the pilots will not be 'getting shafted in a rather large way.' T he company will continue to get a loyal and committed professional pilot force working up to 775 hours for fair pay, trying to make sure that the company franchise with BA is a success.
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Interesting to see (Flight) that GB is looking to outsource their Heavy Maintenance checks overseas next year.
The A330 may well be just a rumour, or 'horse manure' as you put it.
But given GB's route structure, and the dominance of Easy/Ryan in the main european market, surely the only way that they can safely expand is outwards......
The charters perform this long/medium haul mix with the common A321/A330 rating so why is it so Pie in the Sky for GB?
Otherwise their future is pretty static..... don't tread on the toes of the big LoCo's, and don't go long haul..... so where do you go?
Perhaps the answer lies in WW's assessment of the whole LGW operation.
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But given GB's route structure, and the dominance of Easy/Ryan in the main european market, surely the only way that they can safely expand is outwards......
The charters perform this long/medium haul mix with the common A321/A330 rating so why is it so Pie in the Sky for GB?
Otherwise their future is pretty static..... don't tread on the toes of the big LoCo's, and don't go long haul..... so where do you go?
Perhaps the answer lies in WW's assessment of the whole LGW operation.
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I was once told that a significant proportion of the seats on GBs flights are sold via the controlling groups holiday firms, firms which cater for the upper end of the market. If GB find themselves with a fleet of A330s they've now got to sell a lot more holidays to a lot more chavs to fill the back end up, plus they've got to start selling some really expensive seats up at the front. Most of the mid to high yield sunshine routes are already served by BA, and the likes of Havana, Cancun and the rest have plenty of competition from Virgin and the big UK charter carriers. I'm not sure I can see where GB could find a niche in the market.
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Long haul from Manchester always has lack of high yield pax cited as a reason that some airlines are not keen to operate such flights from there. GB with their low cost base, but tie in with BA, would seem like ideal candidates to make a success of such routes, especially with their new(ish) MAN base. Pure conjecture, but you heard it here first......
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BA has little chance of returning to ther AML routes in the next 3 years unless they drop other destinations or frequencies. They are strapped for long haul capacity and apart from the 4 short haul 767s being reconfigured to longhaul this winter they are almost unique amongst their major competitors in having no additional aircraft on order. The leasing and new market for 777s and A330s is very tight with little availability over the next 2 years plus. Emirates meanwhile continue to expand at a steady rate, as do Etihad, Qatar, Cathay and Qantas to mention just a few.
If GB could find 2 or 3 A330-200s to lease ,the dropped AML destinations would be a possibility under their franchise, but they would need high density configurations to make it work. (AML 777s were 10 abreast and tighter than mainline on legroom).
One would assume that BA mainline would have other priorities for investment if they had any money,- but at the moment debt /future liability reduction seems to be their ovveriding aim so their current future long haul fleet investment , apart from the cabin renewal is.......nil.
If GB could find 2 or 3 A330-200s to lease ,the dropped AML destinations would be a possibility under their franchise, but they would need high density configurations to make it work. (AML 777s were 10 abreast and tighter than mainline on legroom).
One would assume that BA mainline would have other priorities for investment if they had any money,- but at the moment debt /future liability reduction seems to be their ovveriding aim so their current future long haul fleet investment , apart from the cabin renewal is.......nil.