BA - PILOTS AND CABIN CREW
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BA - PILOTS AND CABIN CREW
OVER THE LAST DECADE I HAVE NOTICED A SLOW DECLINE IN THE ESSENTIAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CABIN CREW AND PILOTS AT BA.
RECENLY THIS HAS TAKEN A SHARP TURN FOR THE WORSE. HAVING EXPERIENCED MANY 'FRUSTRATING EVENTS' OVER THIS TIME I WONDER WHAT CAN BE DONE TO RECTIFY THIS VERY BAD TREND ON BOTH 'SIDES OF THE FLIGHT DECK DOOR'?
WE ALL KNOW OUR RESPOSIBILITIES AND JOBS SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
AFTER LOTS OF THOUGHT I MUST SAY THAT A HARDENING ON BOTH SIDES IS ONE OF THE MANY CAUSES AND A LACK OF SUPPORT BY PILOT MANAGERS IS ANOTHER. ALSO AN OVER WHELMING DESIRE IN CABIN SERVICES MANAGEMENT TO EMPIRE BUILD HAS HAD A DIRECT NEGATIVE IMPACT.
JUST LOOK AT ALL THE BA PILOT/CABIN CREW THREADS ON THIS SITE AND READ ALL THE FRUSTRATION TOO.
WILL IT REALLY TAKE AN ACCIDENT TO GET THINGS TO A COMMON SENSE APPROACH AGAIN OR CAN WE ALL GET ON AND WORK TOGETHER.
THERE CAN BE MANY MANAGERS ON BOARD BUT ONLY ONE CAPTAIN.....................YES?
WHAT DO YOU THINK CABIN CREW READING THIS ?
ARE YOU ANTI PILOTS AND IF SO WHY?
WHAT DO YOU THINK PILOTS READING THIS ?
ARE YOU ANTI CABIN CREW AND IF SO WHY ?
AS FOR ME I SAY THINGS MUST GET BETTER !
LETS ALL WORK TOGETHER AGAIN AND ENJOY WORKING FOR THE NATIONAL FLAG CARRIER .
OFF TO PUT MY TIN HAT ON AGAIN AND WAIT FOR THE 'INCOMING'.
RECENLY THIS HAS TAKEN A SHARP TURN FOR THE WORSE. HAVING EXPERIENCED MANY 'FRUSTRATING EVENTS' OVER THIS TIME I WONDER WHAT CAN BE DONE TO RECTIFY THIS VERY BAD TREND ON BOTH 'SIDES OF THE FLIGHT DECK DOOR'?
WE ALL KNOW OUR RESPOSIBILITIES AND JOBS SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
AFTER LOTS OF THOUGHT I MUST SAY THAT A HARDENING ON BOTH SIDES IS ONE OF THE MANY CAUSES AND A LACK OF SUPPORT BY PILOT MANAGERS IS ANOTHER. ALSO AN OVER WHELMING DESIRE IN CABIN SERVICES MANAGEMENT TO EMPIRE BUILD HAS HAD A DIRECT NEGATIVE IMPACT.
JUST LOOK AT ALL THE BA PILOT/CABIN CREW THREADS ON THIS SITE AND READ ALL THE FRUSTRATION TOO.
WILL IT REALLY TAKE AN ACCIDENT TO GET THINGS TO A COMMON SENSE APPROACH AGAIN OR CAN WE ALL GET ON AND WORK TOGETHER.
THERE CAN BE MANY MANAGERS ON BOARD BUT ONLY ONE CAPTAIN.....................YES?
WHAT DO YOU THINK CABIN CREW READING THIS ?
ARE YOU ANTI PILOTS AND IF SO WHY?
WHAT DO YOU THINK PILOTS READING THIS ?
ARE YOU ANTI CABIN CREW AND IF SO WHY ?
AS FOR ME I SAY THINGS MUST GET BETTER !
LETS ALL WORK TOGETHER AGAIN AND ENJOY WORKING FOR THE NATIONAL FLAG CARRIER .
OFF TO PUT MY TIN HAT ON AGAIN AND WAIT FOR THE 'INCOMING'.
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Phew, where do we start?
What's happened to all the CRM/HRM stuff which BA seem to go overboard on?
Is this a classic case of divide and rule?
Yes, there is only ever one commander on an aircraft but there is more than one way of leading!
I think a lot of this sort of stuff is symptomatic of what is going on in society in general. There is a lack of respect for authority and a demand for "rights" without the recognition that this comes with "responsibility".
Yes, I agree, that authority is not always right and there should be an atmosphere where crew members feel appreciated and comfortable to express a view about an aspect of the operation but, at the end of the day, there is only one person, on an aircraft, who makes the final decision.
The culture and ambience of any enterprise comes down from the top and if what you say is true then I strongly suspect that things higher up the ladder are not as they should be!
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What's happened to all the CRM/HRM stuff which BA seem to go overboard on?
Is this a classic case of divide and rule?
Yes, there is only ever one commander on an aircraft but there is more than one way of leading!
I think a lot of this sort of stuff is symptomatic of what is going on in society in general. There is a lack of respect for authority and a demand for "rights" without the recognition that this comes with "responsibility".
Yes, I agree, that authority is not always right and there should be an atmosphere where crew members feel appreciated and comfortable to express a view about an aspect of the operation but, at the end of the day, there is only one person, on an aircraft, who makes the final decision.
The culture and ambience of any enterprise comes down from the top and if what you say is true then I strongly suspect that things higher up the ladder are not as they should be!
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Perhaps we could have a debate on what CRM is and is not.
Seems to me everyone wants to use it to prove their own point. If a cabin crew member feels that a pilot has been rude to her, she'll say "What sort of CRM is that ?" and the pilots will pretty much say the same thing in the reverse case.
Wasn't CRM introduced so that when there are problems tasks get delegated effectively and people are able to contribute any relevant information. This is supposed to mean that we don't end up with people doing stupid things that everbody else is aware of but is too scared to point out. Whether it's landing at the wrong airfield, or equally, the cabin crew doing something inappropriate with a passenger. Ideally two-way communication should be possible.
The way I see it the best way to try to get this communication going again is to talk about stuff. If you shout at someone for messing with your temperature controls they'll just get the hump. If you explain to them that any adjustment of the engine controls affects the engine bleed state and could cause problems with fuel flow, climb rate or whatever, then not only will they realise they shouldn't be playing with it but they won't mind asking next time either.
I know cabin crew prefer not to know a lot of what's going on but surely explaining things where possible can only help us to understand each other's roles better. We can help by taking an interest in what they're up to can't we ?
Seems to me everyone wants to use it to prove their own point. If a cabin crew member feels that a pilot has been rude to her, she'll say "What sort of CRM is that ?" and the pilots will pretty much say the same thing in the reverse case.
Wasn't CRM introduced so that when there are problems tasks get delegated effectively and people are able to contribute any relevant information. This is supposed to mean that we don't end up with people doing stupid things that everbody else is aware of but is too scared to point out. Whether it's landing at the wrong airfield, or equally, the cabin crew doing something inappropriate with a passenger. Ideally two-way communication should be possible.
The way I see it the best way to try to get this communication going again is to talk about stuff. If you shout at someone for messing with your temperature controls they'll just get the hump. If you explain to them that any adjustment of the engine controls affects the engine bleed state and could cause problems with fuel flow, climb rate or whatever, then not only will they realise they shouldn't be playing with it but they won't mind asking next time either.
I know cabin crew prefer not to know a lot of what's going on but surely explaining things where possible can only help us to understand each other's roles better. We can help by taking an interest in what they're up to can't we ?
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Why do we have to start another thread/topic when there is one already running? Anyway, this one isn't a rumour or news anymore so off to Aircrew Notices if you want to debate it.
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Capt PPRuNe
aka Danny Fyne
The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork
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Capt PPRuNe
aka Danny Fyne
The Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork
