Revealed: Aer Lingus 'quit or be pushed' plan
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7gcbc that is the best news I have heard in a VERY long while. With dear Gordon Brown pulling the same kind of smoke and mirrors accounting trick this week, we know that this pathetic 'management' style is everywhere. I saw it start in the USA in 1988, so it's about time that the tide turned.
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I'm amazed at the surprise/disgust that people have expressed about this. HR = Human Rats even tho that's probably unfair to the rodent population. Every modern company has these types of individuals in Personnel/HR.
All except FR that is. In Ryanair they just fire the people on the spot and that's that. We dont need you so bye bye! What part of "F**K OFF" do you not understand. Much more efficient, no big HR Department to pay - you're gone, end of story, sue me if you like. (and we'll fight you all the way to European Court if necessary)
Next step for EI - dump your HR department (a whole building called the Personnel building) and go the whole hog to the Ryanair way, you'll save even more money.
Now, if I set myself up as a consultant, I could get paid thousands (of state euros) for such pearls of wisdom.
Even if you win the rat-race, you're still a rat
All except FR that is. In Ryanair they just fire the people on the spot and that's that. We dont need you so bye bye! What part of "F**K OFF" do you not understand. Much more efficient, no big HR Department to pay - you're gone, end of story, sue me if you like. (and we'll fight you all the way to European Court if necessary)
Next step for EI - dump your HR department (a whole building called the Personnel building) and go the whole hog to the Ryanair way, you'll save even more money.
Now, if I set myself up as a consultant, I could get paid thousands (of state euros) for such pearls of wisdom.
Even if you win the rat-race, you're still a rat
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FR have had plenty of dates with m'learned friends and haven't got to second base very often - look at the recent captain they tried to shaft.
FR have had plenty of dates with m'learned friends and haven't got to second base very often - look at the recent captain they tried to shaft.
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It's officially front page news in today's Irish Independent:
"UNION chiefs will 'name and shame' the eight Aer Lingus managers behind the controversial memo aimed at forcing employees at the airline into voluntary redundancy.
Four of the managers have left the company but four are still in senior positions.
The naming and shaming will take place when a delegation of Siptu leaders attend a meeting of the Oireachtas Transport Committee tomorrow. There they will urge politicians to pursue senior Aer Lingus management about the document.
Union bosses see it as an opportunity to turn the tables on management after enduring years of sustained pressure to cut costs and reduce job numbers.
Now, at a critical juncture in the company's transition, they intend inflicting as much embarrassment as they can over the "quit or be pushed" debacle.
Last night, one of the key members of the delegation, Aer Lingus branch secretary Christy McQuillan, said they had been reliably informed that eight senior managers had a input into the document, including former chief executive Willie Walsh."
I wonder if W.W. will bring in the same strategy into BA.
Interesting too to see SIPTU's continuing stance on the future of the company, personally i'm hoping for privitisation:
"Asked whether Siptu was willing to identify to the committee the managers they believe to have composed the controversial document, Mr McQuillan replied: "We will be as helpful as they want us to be in the long-term interest of the company remaining a state airline. We will be as open and transparent as possible for the committee."
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"UNION chiefs will 'name and shame' the eight Aer Lingus managers behind the controversial memo aimed at forcing employees at the airline into voluntary redundancy.
Four of the managers have left the company but four are still in senior positions.
The naming and shaming will take place when a delegation of Siptu leaders attend a meeting of the Oireachtas Transport Committee tomorrow. There they will urge politicians to pursue senior Aer Lingus management about the document.
Union bosses see it as an opportunity to turn the tables on management after enduring years of sustained pressure to cut costs and reduce job numbers.
Now, at a critical juncture in the company's transition, they intend inflicting as much embarrassment as they can over the "quit or be pushed" debacle.
Last night, one of the key members of the delegation, Aer Lingus branch secretary Christy McQuillan, said they had been reliably informed that eight senior managers had a input into the document, including former chief executive Willie Walsh."
I wonder if W.W. will bring in the same strategy into BA.
Interesting too to see SIPTU's continuing stance on the future of the company, personally i'm hoping for privitisation:
"Asked whether Siptu was willing to identify to the committee the managers they believe to have composed the controversial document, Mr McQuillan replied: "We will be as helpful as they want us to be in the long-term interest of the company remaining a state airline. We will be as open and transparent as possible for the committee."
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Well, Siptu didn't waste much time twisting this around to its own anti-privatisation agenda. It seems to devalue the seriousness of this issue when it's simply used as a further argument against something they've consistently opposed.
Maxalt, can you give any more info on LW's conviction for bullying? Was that while she was working at EI? It just seems extremely odd that a HR person, of all people, could survive a conviction for bullying!
Personally, I think the best option for EI is to go down the exact opposite track ... be a model of good HR. They've now slimmed down the airline and the have (one assumes) the number of people they want. Make them valued. Make them know they are. Sure, it's a low cost carrier, but that doesn't stop it being a pleasant place to work. Look at Southwest? I don't particularly want to see John Sharman dressed as Ethel Merman (MO'L, maybe
), but there is a value to it. If EI is serious about becoming a serious long haul player, it needs to beef up its game; it's not going to do without investment - in new IFE, a decent, updated service product and good staff morale. Otherwise, they might as well not bother.
How about a unilateral "commitment to the employees" ... special gifts - extra free flights, free tickets to special events ... BUILD morale; make people proud of their company. Complete nonsense in a low-cost world? As a knee-jerk response it may seem so, but part of being a dynamic company is that you recognise the value of a motivated front line, loyal to and valued by the company, aware of new developments and what's needed to keep EI competitive and responsive in the marketplace.
Costly? Possibly, but nothing compared to expanding long haul flights with a demoralised staff and a second rate product. Their choice ...
Maxalt, can you give any more info on LW's conviction for bullying? Was that while she was working at EI? It just seems extremely odd that a HR person, of all people, could survive a conviction for bullying!
Personally, I think the best option for EI is to go down the exact opposite track ... be a model of good HR. They've now slimmed down the airline and the have (one assumes) the number of people they want. Make them valued. Make them know they are. Sure, it's a low cost carrier, but that doesn't stop it being a pleasant place to work. Look at Southwest? I don't particularly want to see John Sharman dressed as Ethel Merman (MO'L, maybe
), but there is a value to it. If EI is serious about becoming a serious long haul player, it needs to beef up its game; it's not going to do without investment - in new IFE, a decent, updated service product and good staff morale. Otherwise, they might as well not bother. How about a unilateral "commitment to the employees" ... special gifts - extra free flights, free tickets to special events ... BUILD morale; make people proud of their company. Complete nonsense in a low-cost world? As a knee-jerk response it may seem so, but part of being a dynamic company is that you recognise the value of a motivated front line, loyal to and valued by the company, aware of new developments and what's needed to keep EI competitive and responsive in the marketplace.
Costly? Possibly, but nothing compared to expanding long haul flights with a demoralised staff and a second rate product. Their choice ...
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Maxalt, can you give any more info on LW's conviction for bullying? Was that while she was working at EI?
Former manager leaves Aer Lingus after €500k settlement
Aer Lingus made a settlement involving a package worth up to €500,000 earlier this year with a top manager in its human resources division who claimed he was undermined in his job.
The airline's former head of employee relations, John O'Connell, who played a pivotal role in talks with the trade unions, also claimed the company had failed to investigate his grievance.
Aer Lingus declined to comment on the allegations, citing a confidentiality agreement.
The news of O'Connell's settlement comes just days after Aer Lingus was criticised for drafting a document last year which proposed adopting aggressive measures to force staff to leave the airline.
He is understood to have had fundamental disagreements with aspects of the company's strategy.
The exit deal for O'Connell is thought to have been funded through the airline's redundancy plan.
Disagreements between O'Connell and Aer Lingus management coincided with intensive discussions at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC) and the Labour Court over the airline's business plan.
The management entered into a series of stand-offs with senior figures in the Labour Court and the LRC, according to sources.
Several figures, including Labour Relations Commission (LRC) chief executive Kieron Mulvey and Labour Court chairman Kevin Duffy, engaged in either written or verbal exchanges with the airline.
Aer Lingus's human resources director, Liz White, took issue with Labour Court deputy chairwoman Caroline Jenkinson over a recommendation made by the court, according to informed sources.
Aer Lingus has denied any dispute took place.
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Aer Lingus made a settlement involving a package worth up to €500,000 earlier this year with a top manager in its human resources division who claimed he was undermined in his job.
The airline's former head of employee relations, John O'Connell, who played a pivotal role in talks with the trade unions, also claimed the company had failed to investigate his grievance.
Aer Lingus declined to comment on the allegations, citing a confidentiality agreement.
The news of O'Connell's settlement comes just days after Aer Lingus was criticised for drafting a document last year which proposed adopting aggressive measures to force staff to leave the airline.
He is understood to have had fundamental disagreements with aspects of the company's strategy.
The exit deal for O'Connell is thought to have been funded through the airline's redundancy plan.
Disagreements between O'Connell and Aer Lingus management coincided with intensive discussions at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC) and the Labour Court over the airline's business plan.
The management entered into a series of stand-offs with senior figures in the Labour Court and the LRC, according to sources.
Several figures, including Labour Relations Commission (LRC) chief executive Kieron Mulvey and Labour Court chairman Kevin Duffy, engaged in either written or verbal exchanges with the airline.
Aer Lingus's human resources director, Liz White, took issue with Labour Court deputy chairwoman Caroline Jenkinson over a recommendation made by the court, according to informed sources.
Aer Lingus has denied any dispute took place.
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It just seems extremely odd that a HR person, of all people, could survive a conviction for bullying!
As to all that molly-coddling, I don't think any Aer Lingus staff member really needs to be love-bombed by a discredited bunch of tossers. If you want to improve staff morale - fire the lot of 'em.
That'll raise a cheer.
And that 500K would have gone a long way to introducing the proper rostering systems which have been reneged on for years.
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Sunfish;
Apart from your racist comment above, which I understand you have now changed...
"You need to have sufficient dollars (pounds?)"
In Ireland the currency is Euro... You need to make sure you are 100% correct in all that you write, before you write, and your mentioning the word " begorrah" and "grandmutter" shows more ignorance.
Apart from your racist comment above, which I understand you have now changed...
"You need to have sufficient dollars (pounds?)"
In Ireland the currency is Euro... You need to make sure you are 100% correct in all that you write, before you write, and your mentioning the word " begorrah" and "grandmutter" shows more ignorance.
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errrr...this is Ireland, and this is an airline.
with any luck her days are numbered.
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I don't think any Aer Lingus staff member really needs to be love-bombed by a discredited bunch of tossers. If you want to improve staff morale - fire the lot of 'em.
The former HR director at Cityjet, who was a notorious bully, recently got his marching orders for, essentially, stepping too far over the line.
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Aer Lingus to be quizzed over memo
Taken from RTE Tuesday 26th July 05
Aer Lingus to be quizzed over memo
26 July 2005 11:23
Aer Lingus executives will be questioned by an Oireachtas committee today about a controversial memo which discussed ways of encouraging staff to leave the airline.
Airline management and union representatives are due before the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport.
The committee is trying to establish the purpose and context of the July 2004 memo.
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It was drawn up to ensure the redundancy programme at the airline was a success.
The 12-point discussion document indicated a range of options including the so-called 'tap on the shoulder' approach to some supervisory staff that they had no future with the airline.
Another involved downgrading of cabin crew's traditional liveried uniform in favour of t-shirts and jumpsuits and tedious training programmes for pilots.
Aer Lingus to be quizzed over memo
26 July 2005 11:23
Aer Lingus executives will be questioned by an Oireachtas committee today about a controversial memo which discussed ways of encouraging staff to leave the airline.
Airline management and union representatives are due before the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport.
The committee is trying to establish the purpose and context of the July 2004 memo.
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It was drawn up to ensure the redundancy programme at the airline was a success.
The 12-point discussion document indicated a range of options including the so-called 'tap on the shoulder' approach to some supervisory staff that they had no future with the airline.
Another involved downgrading of cabin crew's traditional liveried uniform in favour of t-shirts and jumpsuits and tedious training programmes for pilots.
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So, as I long suspected, the Attendance Management Process at BA is an "environmental push process" designed to get rid of us pesky folks still in the NAPS FS scheme. Did WW suggest it to Rodders? What are we in for!
