DC-8 Tailstrike
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Iwasnt there but Ive seen too often how things can get out of control when the rumour mill starts to grind. Sometimes its fun but if you are on the receiving end it can have disastrous effects. Although this is a 'rumour' section I just think cut the guys some slack
p.s. Im not pointing the finger at anyone specific
Iwasnt there but Ive seen too often how things can get out of control when the rumour mill starts to grind. Sometimes its fun but if you are on the receiving end it can have disastrous effects. Although this is a 'rumour' section I just think cut the guys some slack
p.s. Im not pointing the finger at anyone specific
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I am sure that no Aircrew would knowingly put the safety of other crew or the aircraft at risk just to "make the schedule". Just making the point of where mistakes can and do occur.
Everyone knows how the rumor mill works and everyone knows where to find official incident reports for hard facts.
Good point gurnzee, rumors can get out of proportion....
The guys did well to minimize the effects of a potentially disasterous situation.
Everyone knows how the rumor mill works and everyone knows where to find official incident reports for hard facts.
Good point gurnzee, rumors can get out of proportion....
The guys did well to minimize the effects of a potentially disasterous situation.
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I have flown cargo under contract in a clapped out 727-100 with -7 engines and no loadmaster.
This company I was contracted to was an Alaska operator who´s primary a/c was the DC-6. We were hired to provide guidance and training to the 6 crews transitioning to the jet.
Anyway, I was appalled at the attitudes I saw in this company. Maybe they do do it differently in Alaska, but I routinely saw overloading and out of trim situations occuring as a matter of expediency. For instance if 2 pallets were to be off loaded at the first stop, they were put in the door, regardless of CG considerations. The ground crews sometimes (although I can´t prove "intentional") mislabeled the weights to make the paperwork right, and also expedite loading.
We lasted the contract without any major mishaps, but the 727´s are now for sale and these folks are sticking to Alaska.
My point is, the crew can direct the loading, but they have to know what they´re doing, and they have to be given the correct information to work with from the start.
This company I was contracted to was an Alaska operator who´s primary a/c was the DC-6. We were hired to provide guidance and training to the 6 crews transitioning to the jet.
Anyway, I was appalled at the attitudes I saw in this company. Maybe they do do it differently in Alaska, but I routinely saw overloading and out of trim situations occuring as a matter of expediency. For instance if 2 pallets were to be off loaded at the first stop, they were put in the door, regardless of CG considerations. The ground crews sometimes (although I can´t prove "intentional") mislabeled the weights to make the paperwork right, and also expedite loading.
We lasted the contract without any major mishaps, but the 727´s are now for sale and these folks are sticking to Alaska.
My point is, the crew can direct the loading, but they have to know what they´re doing, and they have to be given the correct information to work with from the start.
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You're right there, Rat. Each aircraft has its quirks and will subtly "tell you" if something is wrong. As the Loadmaster is there for each onload/offload you become more aware of these "clues"
I've a few stories where I have taken one look at a load and said "Bull***t"
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While we are on the subject, good program on Discovery Wings last night, Sky Truckers, about Cargo Lion. The Loadmaster had done 58hours on duty and the crew came back from the hotel, rested, fed and watered with a cheese sandwich for him. I suppose its the thought that counts!
I've a few stories where I have taken one look at a load and said "Bull***t"
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While we are on the subject, good program on Discovery Wings last night, Sky Truckers, about Cargo Lion. The Loadmaster had done 58hours on duty and the crew came back from the hotel, rested, fed and watered with a cheese sandwich for him. I suppose its the thought that counts!
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Let's hijack the "Europe" forum. Otherwise empty. What say folks? All -F subjects into "Europe". Seems we're not important enough to have own own forum. (Months of total lack of interest to our repeated begings on pprune/emails to moderators). Ask for a Joe Bloggs private forum, & you'll get one! BUT pax only.
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