Ryanair launches legal action against pilots' union (merged)
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Ryanair launches legal action against pilots' union
Ryanair today confirmed it had initiated High Court proceedings against the Irish Airline Pilots’ Union (IALPA).
Ryanair accused IALPA of a campaign of harassment and intimidation of Ryanair pilots.
This “REPA” (Ryanair European Pilot Association) website has been a conduit for an organised campaign of harassment and intimidation of Ryanair pilots who have considered taking up positions on Ryanair’s new 737-800 series aircraft to be based here in Dublin later this year.
Confirming the details of these High Court proceedings today, Ryanair’s Director of Personnel, Eddie Wilson said: “High Court proceedings have been initiated and will be pursued until we identify those individuals making these threats."
http://www.sbpost.ie/breakingnews/br...z8&n=133884482
Ryanair accused IALPA of a campaign of harassment and intimidation of Ryanair pilots.
This “REPA” (Ryanair European Pilot Association) website has been a conduit for an organised campaign of harassment and intimidation of Ryanair pilots who have considered taking up positions on Ryanair’s new 737-800 series aircraft to be based here in Dublin later this year.
Confirming the details of these High Court proceedings today, Ryanair’s Director of Personnel, Eddie Wilson said: “High Court proceedings have been initiated and will be pursued until we identify those individuals making these threats."
http://www.sbpost.ie/breakingnews/br...z8&n=133884482
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Ryanair have IALPA in the high court??
Just heard on RTE website Ryanair are taking IALPA to high court over intimidation???
Seemingly yer man Wilson is claiming criminal activity or something here's the headline!
Ryanair has begun court proceedings against The Irish Airline Pilots Associations (IALPA) in an effort to stop what it says is an organised campaign of harassment and intimidation being conducted through a Web site.
Ryanair's Director of Personnel, Eddie Wilson said they would not allow their staff to become the victims of an organised campaign of intimidation.
What is going on lads ?
I presume this is spin !
same old shlte or has the blood rushed to the head?
Here the link folks
Something stinks?
Seemingly yer man Wilson is claiming criminal activity or something here's the headline!
Ryanair has begun court proceedings against The Irish Airline Pilots Associations (IALPA) in an effort to stop what it says is an organised campaign of harassment and intimidation being conducted through a Web site.
Ryanair's Director of Personnel, Eddie Wilson said they would not allow their staff to become the victims of an organised campaign of intimidation.
What is going on lads ?
I presume this is spin !
same old shlte or has the blood rushed to the head?
Here the link folks
Something stinks?
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While we're on the subject of harassment and intimidation, I'm sure the latest memo issued to the Dublin lads and lasses regarding the latest dirty tricks campaign falls under the above as well.
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No, not at all FlyingIrishman. Don't you see that this is all about "the rules of the game"? These are:
Rule 1. We can do what we want (partly because nobody ever stands up to us).
Rule 2. WE must be measured against our standards (which are pretty low).
Rule 3. Others must adhere to high standards (the ones to which we claim we adhere, at least for public relations purposes).
Thus it is that a company that systematically bullies and intimidates feels itself wronged by people who just stand up for their entitlements and agreements. Their response is an excellent example of the belief that attack is the best form of defense.
However, they may have bitten off a bit more that they expect here. There are going to be a few more highly interesting weeks in all of this!
Rule 1. We can do what we want (partly because nobody ever stands up to us).
Rule 2. WE must be measured against our standards (which are pretty low).
Rule 3. Others must adhere to high standards (the ones to which we claim we adhere, at least for public relations purposes).
Thus it is that a company that systematically bullies and intimidates feels itself wronged by people who just stand up for their entitlements and agreements. Their response is an excellent example of the belief that attack is the best form of defense.
However, they may have bitten off a bit more that they expect here. There are going to be a few more highly interesting weeks in all of this!
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Remember, lads, High Court proceedings in Dublin could easily run into figures of about 60,000 euro per day. O'Leary and the gang could string you out there for ages and is IALPA up for that both in terms of spirit and cash?
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these are very dangerous times for IALPA as MO'L is out to make IALPA insolvent and drag the Aer Lingus members into the dispute who at any rate are funding the spat in the high court as the majority subscribers to the union. This is MO'Ls way of union ridding by taking IALPA to court and hurting them financially.
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Now the word "intimidation" is brought to court.
I can't wait for the first Ryanair staff, or group of staff, taking Ryanair to Court for intimidation. And would there be enough to point out, or what !!!
And would there be a lot of money at hand as well !
Thai boxing : don't wait until the next hit. Just hit, hit, and hit again ! You want a fight, well get it then ! I like this kind of philosophy when applied to this type of case.
I can't wait for the first Ryanair staff, or group of staff, taking Ryanair to Court for intimidation. And would there be enough to point out, or what !!!
And would there be a lot of money at hand as well !
Thai boxing : don't wait until the next hit. Just hit, hit, and hit again ! You want a fight, well get it then ! I like this kind of philosophy when applied to this type of case.
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I have heard it alleged (note the words carefully Michael) that the President of IALPA recently received threatening anonymous phone calls - at home - warning him to 'stay out of Ryanairs business, or else'.
Threats and intimidation? By whom?
Threats and intimidation? By whom?
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pot calling kettle black
the masters of intimidation think we are all at it.how pathetic are these ryanair bully boys?
ryanair further cuts pilots terms and conditions in attempt to dissuade pilots from continuing with labour court action.
ryanair further cuts pilots terms and conditions in attempt to dissuade pilots from continuing with labour court action.
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Gloves Off.
Well, you get what you pay for, don't you....and in the case of REPA that's nothing with a capitol N.
Looks like we've bitten off more than we can chew, boys. Hard ball was written by MOL.
Leo.
Looks like we've bitten off more than we can chew, boys. Hard ball was written by MOL.
Leo.
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Eddie Wilson is quoted in the Irish Indo that pilots work a "legally capped maximum of 18 hours a week"
Hard to win when the media unquestionly publish pure and utter lies as if it were fact.
There is clearly no end O'Leary is prerpared to go to to ruin the profession of airline pilot, so good luck lads, we all need it.
Hard to win when the media unquestionly publish pure and utter lies as if it were fact.
There is clearly no end O'Leary is prerpared to go to to ruin the profession of airline pilot, so good luck lads, we all need it.
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Which court is it being held in and when? This is one occaision I would buy a Ryanair ticket, talking of which who are selling tickets for this comedy show and where can you get them from. I need a good laugh after 4 years in a LOCO.
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This may be a hair off the subject, but Ryanair is running newspaper and internet ads in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia for cabin crew.
You personally pay EUR 750.00 for the course and if you pass, your monthly salary will be EUR 1,500. No chance of pay raises mentioned. The tickler is that you could be based anywhere Ryanair flies.
At last word, people are lining up by the dozens.
You personally pay EUR 750.00 for the course and if you pass, your monthly salary will be EUR 1,500. No chance of pay raises mentioned. The tickler is that you could be based anywhere Ryanair flies.
At last word, people are lining up by the dozens.
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Leo hairy management stooge. Go away.
For what it is worth, your remark is correct, but you're not a pilot. YOU have bitten off more than you can chew - but you are management, are you not?
The reason the mad mullingar mucker is so beside himself with anger is that he is in a corner. And the only thing he knows to do when he is in a corner is to strike out. But the repertoire of responses - verbal bullying, various combinations of legal intimidation, threatening retribution, delivering retribution, etc - are well understood now.
This time he will be fought. And he will be beaten. Just wait until yourself and the two other Ryanair street fighters get their day in court. Has it never dawned on you people that such a day will come? You behave as if there never can be such a day (like the memo published yesterday for us all to read).
You need more imagination (and some legal advice). Don't take it from me, ask the legal eagles. After all, I am told that one of you was even named in the recent Dublin Labour Court document. My sources tell me that this is, well, unusual.
Will the mad mullingar mucker be around to save you when push comes to shove? Don't forget that you must never give evidence that implicates the great man. It would be best if you just implicate yourself. Cleaner all round.
For what it is worth, your remark is correct, but you're not a pilot. YOU have bitten off more than you can chew - but you are management, are you not?
The reason the mad mullingar mucker is so beside himself with anger is that he is in a corner. And the only thing he knows to do when he is in a corner is to strike out. But the repertoire of responses - verbal bullying, various combinations of legal intimidation, threatening retribution, delivering retribution, etc - are well understood now.
This time he will be fought. And he will be beaten. Just wait until yourself and the two other Ryanair street fighters get their day in court. Has it never dawned on you people that such a day will come? You behave as if there never can be such a day (like the memo published yesterday for us all to read).
You need more imagination (and some legal advice). Don't take it from me, ask the legal eagles. After all, I am told that one of you was even named in the recent Dublin Labour Court document. My sources tell me that this is, well, unusual.
Will the mad mullingar mucker be around to save you when push comes to shove? Don't forget that you must never give evidence that implicates the great man. It would be best if you just implicate yourself. Cleaner all round.
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Holy ****!!
this was just e-mailed to me....
even i am now feeling slightly vunerable by posting it.. but hey its only a rumour right?
RYANAIR MEMO
TO: All Dublin Pilots.
DATE: 16th February 2005.
FROM: David O'Brien.
IALPA and IMPACT recently made a case to the Labour Court - allegedly on behalf of all of the Dublin pilots - in which they made a number of extraordinary claims. Regrettably, the Labour Court in its decision appears to have accepted some of these submissions even though they carry a number of negative consequences for Dublin pilots.
In their efforts to claim that the Dublin pilots have no means of negotiating with the airline, IALPA claimed that the Dublin Pilot ERC was not in a position to negotiate on pay and conditions for the Dublin pilots, that the 2000 five year pay, benefits and share options agreement wasn't a valid agreement, and that the secret ballot organised by KPMG was somehow flawed. Despite the fact that the 2000 agreement was negotiated by and delivered for Dublin pilots, the highest pay increases, the best rosters and the most valuable share options in any European airline, it's validity has now been undermined.
We dispute these submissions - some are factually inaccurate - and will shortly challenge the Labour Court's findings in the High Court. We believe that the five year pay agreement was properly negotiated between consenting adults (i.e. the Dublin pilots and Ryanair) and the benefits that accrued to Ryanair's pilots should continue. However because IALPA and IMPACT have persuaded the Labour Court that no agreement exists, then our Dublin pilots must forego its benefits. While we await the decision of the High Court it is clear that the benefits of the 2000 five year pay, benefits and share options agreement must be frozen as follows:
1. There will be no 3% pay increase for the Dublin Base pilots in April this year.
2. The IR£100,000 worth of share options which presently have an individual value of over €170,000
will not be granted to Dublin Base pilots when exercisable by all other pilots at the end of 2005.
3. We will examine whether the substantive increase in sector pay introduced in April 2001 at the start
of this agreement should now be unwound, revised and/or repaid by Dublin pilots.
We regret that the misguided actions of IALPA and IMPACT have questioned the validity of the Dublin pilots five year pay agreement. This only applies to the Dublin Base, and we will continue to honour the terms of the other Base agreements which have not been so questioned.
We will keep you advised of further developments and you can rest assured that when we overturn this flawed Labour Court decision we will restart direct negotiations on pay and conditions with our Dublin Base pilots without the interference of trade unions who so far have only succeeded in losing you this years 3% pay increase and share options with a current value of €170,000.
Yours sincerely,
David O’Brien
Director of Flight & Ground Operations
even i am now feeling slightly vunerable by posting it.. but hey its only a rumour right?
RYANAIR MEMO
TO: All Dublin Pilots.
DATE: 16th February 2005.
FROM: David O'Brien.
IALPA and IMPACT recently made a case to the Labour Court - allegedly on behalf of all of the Dublin pilots - in which they made a number of extraordinary claims. Regrettably, the Labour Court in its decision appears to have accepted some of these submissions even though they carry a number of negative consequences for Dublin pilots.
In their efforts to claim that the Dublin pilots have no means of negotiating with the airline, IALPA claimed that the Dublin Pilot ERC was not in a position to negotiate on pay and conditions for the Dublin pilots, that the 2000 five year pay, benefits and share options agreement wasn't a valid agreement, and that the secret ballot organised by KPMG was somehow flawed. Despite the fact that the 2000 agreement was negotiated by and delivered for Dublin pilots, the highest pay increases, the best rosters and the most valuable share options in any European airline, it's validity has now been undermined.
We dispute these submissions - some are factually inaccurate - and will shortly challenge the Labour Court's findings in the High Court. We believe that the five year pay agreement was properly negotiated between consenting adults (i.e. the Dublin pilots and Ryanair) and the benefits that accrued to Ryanair's pilots should continue. However because IALPA and IMPACT have persuaded the Labour Court that no agreement exists, then our Dublin pilots must forego its benefits. While we await the decision of the High Court it is clear that the benefits of the 2000 five year pay, benefits and share options agreement must be frozen as follows:
1. There will be no 3% pay increase for the Dublin Base pilots in April this year.
2. The IR£100,000 worth of share options which presently have an individual value of over €170,000
will not be granted to Dublin Base pilots when exercisable by all other pilots at the end of 2005.
3. We will examine whether the substantive increase in sector pay introduced in April 2001 at the start
of this agreement should now be unwound, revised and/or repaid by Dublin pilots.
We regret that the misguided actions of IALPA and IMPACT have questioned the validity of the Dublin pilots five year pay agreement. This only applies to the Dublin Base, and we will continue to honour the terms of the other Base agreements which have not been so questioned.
We will keep you advised of further developments and you can rest assured that when we overturn this flawed Labour Court decision we will restart direct negotiations on pay and conditions with our Dublin Base pilots without the interference of trade unions who so far have only succeeded in losing you this years 3% pay increase and share options with a current value of €170,000.
Yours sincerely,
David O’Brien
Director of Flight & Ground Operations
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Too right Delwy. MOL has learned at his bosses knee...the REAL boss, Tony Ryan.
Ryan ran GPA like his personal fiefdom, even his most capable managers lived in mortal fear of his violent outbursts and humiliating verbal abuse at management meetings. He's a legend.
MOL just carries on the same tradition. Lower management turds like Leo piss themselves in his presence. No doubt they believe that by emulating his style they can weasel some respect for themselves.
Pathetic, isn't it?
Trouble is, when push comes to shove, Leo and his mateys are just grist in the mill, like the rest of the slaves. Ultimately disposable.
Ryan lost control of GPA through that very same arrogance. Of course you have to recognise his comeback, but since he's learned nothing from his previous experience, the same thing could happen again.
There's an election in the offing over here. The incumbent government had their worst defeat in electoral history at last years by-elections. Since then the PM has been a lot more 'understanding' toward the unions (witness the sudden and ingnominious dismissal of our hero Willy Walsh). Meanwhile MOL continues to taunt and embarrass Bertie in the media over T2 at DAP. Methinks the chickens are all coming home to roost.
MOL is about to find out why it just doesn't pay to piss on the pols.
As to that Memo...the phoney war is over...let battle commence.
About time too.
Ryan ran GPA like his personal fiefdom, even his most capable managers lived in mortal fear of his violent outbursts and humiliating verbal abuse at management meetings. He's a legend.
MOL just carries on the same tradition. Lower management turds like Leo piss themselves in his presence. No doubt they believe that by emulating his style they can weasel some respect for themselves.
Pathetic, isn't it?
Trouble is, when push comes to shove, Leo and his mateys are just grist in the mill, like the rest of the slaves. Ultimately disposable.
Ryan lost control of GPA through that very same arrogance. Of course you have to recognise his comeback, but since he's learned nothing from his previous experience, the same thing could happen again.
There's an election in the offing over here. The incumbent government had their worst defeat in electoral history at last years by-elections. Since then the PM has been a lot more 'understanding' toward the unions (witness the sudden and ingnominious dismissal of our hero Willy Walsh). Meanwhile MOL continues to taunt and embarrass Bertie in the media over T2 at DAP. Methinks the chickens are all coming home to roost.
MOL is about to find out why it just doesn't pay to piss on the pols.
As to that Memo...the phoney war is over...let battle commence.
About time too.