KAL Cargo Plane Topples Back At Sydney Airport
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Ouch, looks rather expensive.
Good to hear nobody was hurt. The car must have been too close to call for a few of the ground-handlers. I wonder if it was a general error, or as is sometimes the case more than meets the eye! Fatigue, duff info!! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
I've spoken to Loadies who say the MD-11 can be a bit slippery during loading. Obviously.
Good to hear nobody was hurt. The car must have been too close to call for a few of the ground-handlers. I wonder if it was a general error, or as is sometimes the case more than meets the eye! Fatigue, duff info!! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
I've spoken to Loadies who say the MD-11 can be a bit slippery during loading. Obviously.
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We had it happen with just a couple of medium pallets going back on a MD-11. You have to have the nosegear strapped down or keep a loaded pallet in the front. Luckily the towbar was hooked on and kept the tail from contacting the ground.
The f/o onboard was trying to sleep, and suddenly got vertigo. He opened his eyes, and all he saw out of the windshield was stars!
Taxiing or flying the Mighty Dog empty requires 50,000# of ballast fuel. Any less and you're asking for trouble....
The f/o onboard was trying to sleep, and suddenly got vertigo. He opened his eyes, and all he saw out of the windshield was stars!
Taxiing or flying the Mighty Dog empty requires 50,000# of ballast fuel. Any less and you're asking for trouble....
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Is this why the MD-11 is a rather unstable aircraft to fly? Is it because of the center of gravity? As a passenger sitting in the back of the MD-11 the control inputs from the pilot were greatly exaggerated as we approached for landing. It was rather unsettling.
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It doesn't just happen to the MD-11. It has happened to DC8s, B747Fs and will hapen again if they don't bother using a sling on the nose LG strut or a tail stand. For once, it doesn't seem to be KAL's fault.
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This can happen quite easily on any cgo/combi aircraft especially if tailjack is not used or nose is not tied down and heavy pallets are being positioned on m/deck.
Not sure about MD11 but I think B747f have some safety device built in the inner hold system when aircraft senses tilt.
Some aircraft such as B747 combi are normally tail heavy due to the 7x M/deck pos at rear, not sure about MD11.
Not sure about MD11 but I think B747f have some safety device built in the inner hold system when aircraft senses tilt.
Some aircraft such as B747 combi are normally tail heavy due to the 7x M/deck pos at rear, not sure about MD11.
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As a lot of operators, our A300 and other freighters don't use tail-stands. All C of G movements during loading are calculated by the Loadmaster. (must keep an eye on it still!)
A good feature of our types is that when empty, they sit at the foward edge of trim. I imagine that due to the tail mounted engine, the MD-11 doesn't! How far in the envelope are they guys?
I was told that when they are positioned by tug, a ballast pallet in the foward position is required. Is the MD-11 certified for a weight bearing tail-stand?
Some aircraft have them, but only to be used as a visual reference. Result= BIG HOLE!
A good feature of our types is that when empty, they sit at the foward edge of trim. I imagine that due to the tail mounted engine, the MD-11 doesn't! How far in the envelope are they guys?
I was told that when they are positioned by tug, a ballast pallet in the foward position is required. Is the MD-11 certified for a weight bearing tail-stand?
Some aircraft have them, but only to be used as a visual reference. Result= BIG HOLE!