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AAL_Silverbird 9th Jan 2002 11:13

KAL Cargo Plane Topples Back At Sydney Airport
 
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/0201/09/national/national105.html" target="_blank">Click Here</a>

David Hurst 9th Jan 2002 11:21

Ooops!!

ATC Watcher 9th Jan 2002 11:26

Someone bonus going down the drain in KAL.....
Jokes can start again :) :)

innuendo 9th Jan 2002 11:27

They are not the first.

QNH1013 9th Jan 2002 12:33

A couple of pictures already uploaded on Airliners dot Net. Search using registration HL7372

It happens eh... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Kalium Chloride 9th Jan 2002 12:40

It's just begging for a caption. :)

meloz 9th Jan 2002 12:49

How about "ROTATE!"

Cee of Gee 9th Jan 2002 13:54

Ouch, looks rather expensive.
Good to hear nobody was hurt. The car must have been too close to call for a few of the ground-handlers. I wonder if it was a general error, or as is sometimes the case more than meets the eye! Fatigue, duff info!! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
I've spoken to Loadies who say the MD-11 can be a bit slippery during loading. Obviously.

Anti Skid On 9th Jan 2002 14:40

Apt name above (C of G) - what sort of weight would it take to do that??

hot 'n' heavy 9th Jan 2002 14:51

more pics on Dunnunda & Godzone

Huck 9th Jan 2002 15:34

We had it happen with just a couple of medium pallets going back on a MD-11. You have to have the nosegear strapped down or keep a loaded pallet in the front. Luckily the towbar was hooked on and kept the tail from contacting the ground.

The f/o onboard was trying to sleep, and suddenly got vertigo. He opened his eyes, and all he saw out of the windshield was stars!

Taxiing or flying the Mighty Dog empty requires 50,000# of ballast fuel. Any less and you're asking for trouble....

allianceair 9th Jan 2002 16:49

Is this why the MD-11 is a rather unstable aircraft to fly? Is it because of the center of gravity? As a passenger sitting in the back of the MD-11 the control inputs from the pilot were greatly exaggerated as we approached for landing. It was rather unsettling.

allianceair 9th Jan 2002 16:51

Caption for the Photo:

VIAGRA ON BOARD :)

Greg Baddeley 9th Jan 2002 17:14

It happens - but why's it always happening to KAL?!?!

HotDog 9th Jan 2002 17:38

It doesn't just happen to the MD-11. It has happened to DC8s, B747Fs and will hapen again if they don't bother using a sling on the nose LG strut or a tail stand. For once, it doesn't seem to be KAL's fault.

skymarshal 1 9th Jan 2002 17:44

This can happen quite easily on any cgo/combi aircraft especially if tailjack is not used or nose is not tied down and heavy pallets are being positioned on m/deck.

Not sure about MD11 but I think B747f have some safety device built in the inner hold system when aircraft senses tilt.

Some aircraft such as B747 combi are normally tail heavy due to the 7x M/deck pos at rear, not sure about MD11.

Danza 9th Jan 2002 17:49

Check out Airliners.net, scroll to the accident section to see a lot more unfortunates <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

747FOCAL 9th Jan 2002 18:07

Well if the flight crew had been big fat Europeans and not 90 lbs Koreans this probably wouldn't have happened. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> :)

[ 09 January 2002: Message edited by: 747FOCAL ]</p>

bow5 9th Jan 2002 18:15

"Look, if you try really hard, you can get the nose higher than that 747".

Cee of Gee 9th Jan 2002 18:52

As a lot of operators, our A300 and other freighters don't use tail-stands. All C of G movements during loading are calculated by the Loadmaster. (must keep an eye on it still!)
A good feature of our types is that when empty, they sit at the foward edge of trim. I imagine that due to the tail mounted engine, the MD-11 doesn't! How far in the envelope are they guys?
I was told that when they are positioned by tug, a ballast pallet in the foward position is required. Is the MD-11 certified for a weight bearing tail-stand?
Some aircraft have them, but only to be used as a visual reference. Result= BIG HOLE!


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